I sent this from another platform and am resending. Apologies if this creates an email overflow for those who recived it already/anyway. > > S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <listserv@listserver.isc.rit.edu> > To: <sgshiya@mail.redshift.com> > Cc: <andpph@vmsmail.rit.edu> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:00 AM > Subject: list PHOTOFORUM: List Message Rejected > > > Who is really, I mean to ask, sincerely interested in this? > > > > I know Joe, I inherited the only 16X20 ever printed, which was printed by > him for the Bicentenial and reunion of the Fith Marine Regiment, of which my > uncle was affiliated and who got that photograph. > > > > As a member of the San Francisco Press Club, I knew quite well the man who > received that photograph over the wire, and exclaimed "My God! This is a > Pulitzer!" That was Jack Lauck, our three times President of the club, and > cut line writer for the SF Chronicle who pulled the photo off the > line-o-type and immediately sent it to the Pulitzer Prize Committee at > Columbia University in New York. > > > > The stories about the flag raising are fun to hear. The real story is > rather blaze (sorry, no accent on this machine :) Joe was in a boat off > shore with about a dozen other photographers. There were no press allowed > in the fighting during that war. > > > > At an appropriate time, nine were selected to go ashore on the 2nd boat, > Joe was in that group. The first group had an informal request to make a > photograph of the flag raising by the commanding general -- name lost from > my memory -- and the photog who got that picture actually passed Joe on the > trail up the mountain. > > > > Joe turned and saw some guys raising the flag, took the picture using 400 > ASA Agfa, and hailed them to get their attention. > > > > They confronted eachother, and he asked if they would mind doing it again, > for his picture. They knew the flag, the official flag and probably photo > had been taken already, so thought there would be no harm in doing that. > > > > When Joe sent his film in to the processor, a US Navy pho-jo aboard ship, > it was processed in PMK and sent as a negative by line-o-type to the > affiliates marked on the box. Joe's went to his affiliate, the Chronicle > among others. > > > > He was asked about the picture, and not knowing which one they used said, > "I think the best one was the one I staged." > > > > The commanding general was upset because they used his, not the one he > ordered. The actual one. > > > > Joe, trying toi get out of the mess he may have put himself and the > Marines into, said again, "It may have been a staged photo, anyway." > > > > When he got home, and saw the one they used, he asserted to Lauck "Yeah! > That's the real one." You could tell the difference, his staged one was > corney and not very real looking. "I took the first one at the moment I saw > it," which is what press photogs do, "and didn't even think I had the > shutter set right. But, that's the first one, Jack," he told Lauck. And > Lauck said, "Then, you won yourself a Pulitzer Prize." > > > > In the print, you can see it's a real, not posed photograph, taken the way > Joe describes it in the book, "Pulitzer Prize Winning Photographs" or > something like that. The top third of the picture is out of focus. :)))) (I > liked to kid Joe on that point, especially when Ansel was alive.) > > > > If you can find the book of Rosenthal photographs, many many of his press > works, you can easily see how he was able to capture the moment. Almost as > if he had the camera always at his eye. But, he was quick and when he was > 'about' you could never even see the camera. He used a Leica since the war, > but the Flag Raising photograph was done with a Graflex, US Army issue, > Ektat 127mm lens. > > > > How's that? > > > > Steve Shapiro, Carmel, CA > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > (Mike King) photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu wrote on Fri Apr 4 06:18:02 > 2003: > > > > Joe Rosenthal did not get to the beach until 1435 the first flag was > raised > > at 1020--four hours earlier. > > http://www.bullworks.net/iwojima.htm > > > > "The exchange of the two flags took place at 1435, about four hours after > > the first flag was raised, and was recorded as a still picture by Marine > > Photographer Pvt. Robert R. Campbell; to his right Marine Cameraman Sgt. > > William H. Genaust, (later KIA), took color film moving pictures of the > > raising of the second and larger flag. It was during this time that > > Associated Press Photographer Joe Rosenthal snapped the still photo that > was > > later to become the model for the Marine Monument erected at Arlington > > National Cemetery. " > > > > http://www.ibew.org/stories/01journal/0106/IwoJima.htm "On February 24, > > 2001, they showed up at the Richfield, Minnesota, home of 80-year-old > > Charles Lindberg, a retired member of IBEW Local 292, Minneapolis. He was > > presented with a letter from the commandant of the Marine Corps honoring > his > > role in the historic raising of the U.S. flag at Iwo Jima. > > > > Formal Marine Corps recognition of what happened on February 23, 1945, > came > > 56 years later because Lindberg helped raise the original flag on Mt. > > Suribachi at 10:40 a.m. Several hours later six other marines replaced it > > with a bigger flag and Associated Press Photographer Joe Rosenthal snapped > > what is arguably the most famous photo of World War II." > > > > darkroommike > > > > ---------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Zinn" <azinn@netbox.com> > > To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" > > <photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Brian Walski Fired. > > > > > > > At 07:14 PM 4/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > >At 05:15 PM 4/3/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > >>The famous Iwo Jima flag raising over Mt. Suribachi photo is a > > reenactment > > > >>of an earlier event, also. It got a Pulitzer as I recall. > > > >>my two cents > > > >>darkroommike > > > > > > > >Here is the history behind this photo: > > > > > > > >http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq87-3l.htm > > > > > > > >Tina > > > > > > > > > > > >Tina Manley, ASMP > > > >www.tinamanley.com > > > > > > > >Faces of Iraq: > > > >http://www.leica-gallery.net/tinamanley/folder-4312.html > > > > > > Tina, > > > > > > Thanks - an easy mistake to make. It says there was a second flag > raised, > > > but that the first one was in the Rosenthal photograph. After that there > > > was a color movie and more photos made, I believe. > > > > > > AZ, > > > > > > Build a Lookaround! > > > The Lookaround Book. > > > http://www.panoramacamera.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message sent via Chez Surette Art Email Centre > > http://www.chezsurette.com > > > > > > > >
