would like to know if there were developments on this. i also encountered this problem when i switched to 8.3 and also to 8.3.1 on my test server. my production server continues to be running ok on 8.1 though ; if there really is no more bundled odbc package with the postgres installer, i'd like to know how other pg users are connecting to their databases? btw i use vb6 as my client. richard