I'm asking this group because we tend to think alike wrt to data modeling and separation of concerns ;-) Any recommendations on ORM libraries for new Windows development? The last time I started anything from scratch was over 10 years ago, and the "state of the art" seemed to be to smash everything together into event handlers on GUI objects. Ugh. I pulled the M of the MVC out into separate coherent classes and implemented a *very* simple ORM, leaving the VC mostly conflated in the event handlers--which is not too bad since this app will never need to be cross-platform. So the dev tool was discontinued, some closed-source libraries are getting less and less compatible by the year, and we're going to rewrite. Where to start? It's a custom Windows-only app, only installed at one site. Using .NET would be fine. C# or C++ would be most-preferred language choices, although we could suck it up and use Java. I don't want to put VB on the table. Leaning toward Visual Studio .NET because I know it will be around (in whatever morphed form) for a while; but also considering Borland's supposedly revitalized C++ tools because I used C++ Builder with success back when MS C++ compilers were still awful. I should probably mention that the Windows apps, with the exception of one complicated "explore customer's entire history here" screen, are pretty simple; the complexity is in reports and stored procedures. Suggestions where to start? -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend