> What say we just stop right there and call Date's Relational Model > what it is: a silly edifice built atop wrong premises. SQL was a quick and dirty hack (Systems R and R* needed some way to interface with data) with multiple deficiencies recognized and documented right within the very first paper by its own authors. To hold it up as any kind of paradigm is really misinformed. -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice