>> Yes, and all SQL products worth their salt include some languages to >> provide iteration and other processing that SQL can't do or doesn't do >> well. Why must the rules be different for a truly relational db. (see >> http://dbappbuilder.sourceforge.net/Rel.html) > I may get interested if some actual software which implements Date's > Relational Model ever comes out. Or I may not, as I am getting lots > of useful work done using SQL and friends. We empiricists are like that. You mean like the Java software I pointed out in the link above? It's an implementation of Tutorial D. >>> What say we just stop right there and call Date's Relational Model >>> what it is: a silly edifice built atop wrong premises. >> >> Using that logic, we should kick SQL to the curb too. >> > > Um, no. You haven't actually used the logic. You're just saying you > did, which is different. I've got to say you're reminding me of just about > every Libertarian, Communist, or other kind of doctrinaire moonbat I've > run across. Having a theory is nice, but when reality bumps up against > it, that means the theory, not reality, is wrong. What's with the insults? Cool off or something... -M