I guess to much information can be an overload. Been surfin' to find a decent book and don't really know which one to try. I have a um, not exactly vague understanding of a database. Meaning I can create the tables and crude/elementary queries that are just about as basic as you can get. It's when ya get to the point of trying to get all that info out the way I want is were I fall down. Ouch. I guess something on SQL that is directed towards postgresql is what I'm looking for. But ideally it would have good examples and explanations. Actually I need pictures, hee hee. Anyway I am open to some good recommendations. -- You can tuna piano but you can't tune a fish. ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org