I did 8.1 beta3 for windows and PGAdmin III was nicely included. Then when I downloaded Postgresql 8.1 on Fedora Core it wasn't there so I downloaded it seperatly and it works pretty much the same. ( I downloaded the second to lated version because of installer errors on my system.) Hope is useful - good luck Troy ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend