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In terms of really good GUI clients we are now at a stage where we are spoilt for choice.
There is PgAdmin, both III and the new Beta are excellent.
Aquafold Data Studio is also nice.
I use SQLManager Postgresql Manager from sqlmanager.net all the time.
PGLightning is also very good.
I actually prefer phpPgAdmin to the Mysql phpMyAdmin.
And the improvements in the ODBC driver mean that linking your tables into an access Database makes Access a very capable interface to the Database as well, although it should be said that Access is not so much a Database management client so much as a very capable application front end.

What we are missing - and this is true really for all the Database severs with the exception perhaps of Oracle (which has Oracle Applications) is a decent competing RAD for developing custom database front end applications such as forms and integration into an office Suite. We have Access, which is very good wit Postgresql, but it would be nice if there were other viable choices.

Of course there many application development interfaces to Postgresql, and in terms of the Languages and environments available, developers building applications against a Postgresql Database are especially spoilt for choice. Web based front ends work very well. But none of these are in the same niche as Access - which does allow quite complex apps to be built in a time frame that makes it attractive and affordable for small and medium businesses to consider developing their own custom solution.

With some add on tools Delphi comes close, but it is still nowhere near as quick as Access to build a bunch of forms , pump data into spreadsheets, charts, word processing applications. It is often little things that make the difference - the speed with which drop down lists can be created is a huge boon to an access developer when the business needs an app that really does speed the workflow of their transactional staff.

I really believe that Postgresql could become Ubiquitous as the Small/Medium business database of choice, because these business's really do have more complex data requirements than can be seviced by Mysql, and they do find SQL Server expensive. In addition many would like to have the option of selling their custom application, so a BSD license s atractive. There are already some great apps that are postgresql based that provide a good case for ditching exchange and SQL Server - DBmail, Open Groupware, at least two OSS CRM solutions, Bizgres and Open Accounting.

Access is a good partner for Postgresql, but Microsoft will always be motivated to use Access to drive SQL Server sales, so a OSS competitor in that very particular, but also very large, Niche occupied by Access, and to a degree - Filemaker and Paradox - is to be wished for. Unfortunately, so far the candidates I have tried, rekall, Kexi, OpenOffice Base - have all been disapointing when compared even to Access 97 let alone Access 2000 and beyond.

Cheers
Johan

Wim Bertels wrote:
Dear friends,

i've been using postgresql quiet some time now,
but i don't find any really good clients for "dummies" to this database.
When i look at pgadmin:
an anoying feature: it closes when u do something illegal, instead of saying: u don't have the rights to do this. When i look at phpgpadmin (phpmyadmin is much better from a usability point of view),
why wasn't this layout/structure followed, or at least a better one.

To me the best client is:  psql ,
but i makes it kind of difficult to convince the "dummies" from using access and/or mysql

suggestions to good clients?

tnx,




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