I'm sure I've done this before, but for some reason, my main noodle is drawing a blank. Assume we have three tables defined thusly: create table classrooms ( id serial unique not null, name varchar ); create table seats ( classrooms_id integer not null references classrooms(id), position varchar ); create table students( classrooms_id integer not null references classrooms(id), name varchar ); Now, I want to get a result like: classroom | students | seats 101A 0 25 101B 22 30 102A 11 0 ... etc. Something somewhat akin to select classroom.title, count(students.id) AS students, count(seats.id) AS seats from classrooms, students, seats where classrooms.id=students.classrooms_id and classrooms.id=seats.id Except that it counts 0s for seats/students. Why can't I recall/find how to do this particular join? -Ben -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - XEROX PARC slogan, circa 1978 ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly