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Hi Stephen,

again thanks a lot for trying to help me!

On 21.02.23 16:29, Stephen Frost wrote:

* Tomas Pospisek (tpo2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
On 20.02.23 15:17, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Tomas Pospisek (tpo2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
so I'm trying to authenticate psql (on Windows) -> postgres (on Linux) via
Active Directory.

Looks like you're trying to do a bit more than that as you're using
GSSAPI (not SSPI, which would be the more typical method on Windows..)
and you're asking for an encrypted connection.  Is there a reason you're
going down this particular route..?

The reason I'm using the GSSAPI is it's the only documented way to do
authentication from psql.exe against Active Directory that was able to find.

I mean ... https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/sspi-auth.html

Were should the settings that are discussed in that document be configured? In pg_hba.conf?

That document says:

"SSPI authentication only works when both server and client are running Windows, or, on non-Windows platforms, when GSSAPI is available."

I interpret that phrase like this:

* there's a case where both server and client are running Windows (doesn't apply to me) * there's a case where both are running non-Windows (doesn't apply to me either - server is Linux, client is Windows)

So that's an extremely terse docu that is not clear at all to me.

I'd suggest to change that phrase into:

"SSPI authentication works when both server and client are running Windows. When server or client are on non-Windows platforms then those need to use GSSAPI."

- assuming that my interpretation of that super terse docu is correct of course.

Even now I am unable to find *any* documentation on how to go about doing
auth from psql.exe to AD with SSPI. Would you have any pointers to
documentation or a howto (or a blog post or a stackoverflow answer or...).

Sure, here's a blog post that I wrote about doing exactly that:

https://www.crunchydata.com/blog/windows-active-directory-postgresql-gssapi-kerberos-authentication

Note that that document doesn't mention SSPI a single time.

The ultra terse Postgres docu is using terms such as "SAM", "negotiate mode", "UPN", without a reference to their definition, which leaves to Windows noobs like me (and equaly Windows non-noobs) without a clue. Searching "kerberos SAM" or "SSPI negotiate mode" on duckduckgo doesn't seem to lead to useful hits. So the documentation seems to be geared to experts of both Kerberos and Active Directory and Windows technology alike which as far as I can tell is a very rare specimen.

The reason I am apparently asking for encrypted communications is that I
apparently misinterpreted what `gssencmode`: I thought that it would force
the use of GSS but apparently it's forcing a connection encryption?

gssencmode indeed requires a GSS encrypted connection.  Unfortunately,
there isn't a way to force GSS or SSPI be used for authentication today
(outside of GSS with encryption) from the client side, though that's
something that's been discussed and I think most people feel would be
good to have.  That said, if the server is configured in pg_hba for gss
(or sspi), then the client will try to authenticate that way.

As far as I can see it is *not possible* to configure the server for SSPI ("or sspi")? It's only possible to configure it for GSS *and* SSPI at the same time (?) assuming the server is running on a non-Windows platform?

How do I force psql.exe to use GSS and/or SSPI then (instead of
username/password authentication that it seems to be doing by default).

The server's hba needs to be configured for gss (if the server is Linux)
or sspi (if the server is on Windows) and then the client will be
informed that's what the server wants when it connects and it'll try to
authenticate that way.  It's not possible currently to force the client
to only try GSS or SSPI, what it will try is mostly driven by the server
side saying what the server wants the client to authenticate with.

Maybe the reason I'm using GSS is because what I really want to achieve is
to authenticate from QGIS with AD. QGIS (from osgeo4w) is shipping a libpq
that is linked against the kerberos library, so that's what I have. I have
no idea how libpq needs to be compiled so as to be able to do SSPI?

PostgreSQL, when built on Windows (including libpq), is always built
with SSPI support.  That said, if it's also built with GSSAPI, then SSPI
is preferred but you can set 'gsslib' to 'gssapi' to prefer gssapi be
used instead.  Now, if you're setting gssencmode to prefer or require
and the library is built with GSSAPI then we're going to try GSSAPI
first to try to set up the encrypted connection.

Also, just in case I would find out how to get my hand (or build) a
psql/libpsql that *can* do SSPI - would I be able to swap out the existing
libpq for the libpq with SSPI support and dependend executable would still
be supposed to work?

Your libpq is almost certainly also built with SSPI.

Or am I completely misunderstanding everything?

Don't think you're completely misunderstanding everything, just a few
missing bits here and there that I've hopefully helped clear up. :)

psql (Linux) -> postgres (Linux) with authentication against Active
Directory does work.

That's good.  One thing to know about Linux vs. Windows when it comes to
Kerberos (and GSSAPI/SSPI) is that the default service name is different
between them.  See the libpq parameter krbsrvname documentation here:

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/libpq-connect.html

I quote that document:

"krbsrvname

     Kerberos service name to use when authenticating with GSSAPI. This must
match the service name specified in the server configuration for Kerberos
authentication to succeed. (See also Section 21.6.) The default value is
normally postgres, but that can be changed when building PostgreSQL via the
--with-krb-srvnam option of configure. In most environments, this parameter
never needs to be changed. Some Kerberos implementations might require a
different service name, such as Microsoft Active Directory which requires
the service name to be in upper case (POSTGRES).
"

I'm using the postgres server from apt.postgresql.org. I do not know whether
it has been built with `--with-krb-srvnam` but as far as I can find out it
was not.

Could you please give me a working example? Assuming I need to set
`krbsrvname=POSTGRES` then where would I have to set that? In
pg_service.conf? Or in krb5.conf? Or somewhere else?

I'd suggest looking over the blog post that I reference above as it
depends on how the service is configured in AD.  You could also look at
the keytab file to see what the service principal is.  You do that
using: klist -k /path/to/keytab

What's necessary is for everything to agree.  The klist -k /keytab
will tell you what's in the keytab file on the PG server and that's
probably where to start from- if it's 'postgres' then you probably don't
need to configure krbsrvname on anything, if it's 'POSTGRES' then you'll
need to set krbsrvname in the connection string or service config on the
client side and then on the server set krb_srvname also to 'POSTGRES'.

Ack, thanks a lot!

However the same with psql.exe on Windows does not. I get:

      D:\>C:\OSGeo4W\bin\psql.exe service=the_db
      psql: error: connection to server at "dbserver.example.lan
      (192.168.4.104), port 5432 failed: could not initiate GSSAPI
      security context: No credentials were supplied, or the credentials
      were unavailable or inaccessible: Internal credentials cache error

That's a bit of an odd message to get if krbsrvname is this issue
though.

psql.exe from the OSGeo4W QGIS Installer *does* include GSS support. (I have
tried with a different psql.exe without GSS support and it would tell me
that it does not support GSS).

Providing the specific messages would possibly be helpful here..

The message I get when libpq is not compiled against GSS is:

     gssencmode value "require" invalid when GSSAPI support is not compiled
in

Yup, that does match up with what I'd expect.

The .pg_service.conf file in the users $HOME directory looks like this:

      [the_db]
      host=dbserver.example.lan
      port=5432
      user=user@xxxxxxxxxxx
      gssencmode=require

This same pg_service.conf does work for psql (Linux).

Also getting a Kerberos ticket for the service on Windows does work:

      D:\> klist get postgres/dbserver.example.lan@xxxxxxxxxxx
      [...]
      This will list the ticket

Is this using MIT klist or Windows klist though?

It's using Windows klist.

That's using SSPI then, just to be clear.

But when using psql.exe it will not get a ticket for the service nor will it
apparently use the existing service ticket.

As mentioned above, GSSAPI and SSPI aren't the same thing and what I
suspect you're seeing here is that the Windows klist is using SSPI but
the psql you have is built with GSSAPI.  There used to be a Kerberos For
Windows utility that would make the bridge between those two, as I
recall, put out by MIT but I'm not sure what the current state of it is.
It hasn't been needed for a very long time as SSPI generally works fine-
though we don't yet have SSPI support for encryption.

I have tried to trace psql.exe with Window's Process Monitor and I can't see
it accessing no keytab file (I'm not sure whether a keytab file exists at
all under Windows or if psql.exe doesn't instead need to access some Windows
service). I see that psql.exe will open and close a TCP connection to
dbserver.example.lan, however as far as I can see that connection is
completely irrelevant for the aquisition of a Kerberos ticket for the
service since that is a business purely between psql.exe and Active
Directory or respectively between psql.exe and the credentials cache. And
there is no other TCP connection being opened to anywhere from psql.exe.

What I find suspicious about the error above is "... the credentials were
unavailable or inaccessible: Internal credentials cache error", since that
looks like either psql.exe can't access the (inexisting) keytab file, or it
can't access Window's Kerberos service.

psql wouldn't be accessing an actual keytab, it would be trying to
access a credential cache and it is failing on that, though if it was
just non-existant, I'd expect an error along those lines.  Accessing the
Windows kerberos service would require either using SSPI, which psql can
be built to do, or using a bridge tool like KfW as mentioned above.

What you are saying seems to imply to me that I should be using SSPI. So
that's what I want to do. So:

Yes, using SSPI when coming from Windows is almost certainly the simpler
approach and gets you the benefit of strong authentication.  You'll
probably want to also use TLS/SSL for encryption of the connection and
then use verify-full to make sure that the server is who you are trying
to connect to (the Kerberos authentication also does this, but it
doesn't hurt to also make sure the certificate presented by the server
matches who you are trying to connect to and that it's trusted by one of
your CAs).

* how can I verify that the libpq/psql.exe I have (from osgeo4w) have been
built with SSPI support?

It almost certainly was built with SSPI.  SSPI support was added to
PostgreSQL in version 8.3 which was released in 2008.  Hopefully you're
not using a library older than that ...

* do you have some complete working config for psql.exe to access a postgres
server with authentication again AD? (I mean only the client side as what is
needed by psql.exe exclusively on a vanilla Windows box in a AD domain -
nothing else).

See the blog post.

Also, I see that psql.exe is trying to access a ccapiserver.exe which does
not exist. Should psql.exe be able to access that ccapiserver.exe file? That
means is the OSGeo4W QGIS installer, that also installs all things necessary
for psql missing that ccapiserver.exe executable?

That's part of KfW and it's the Kerberos libraries, not directly psql,
that's trying to access it.  If you want to get this working, probably
the next step would be to look into KfW.

* has anybody ever succeeded in authenticating with psql.exe against Active
Directory?

Yes, many times, thuogh more typically using SSPI support in psql
instead of GSSAPI and using TLS/SSL for encryption.

Do I need to force SSL? Should it work without?

Yes, it should work just fine without TLS/SSL and the authentication
process will be encrypted and secure, but after the authentication is
complete the rest of the traffic will be transmitted in the clear over
the network (unless you've got IPSec or a VPN or something) which is
generally not ideal.

* can you maybe tell me what's wrong from the error message above?
* how can I proceed from here?

Either switch to using SSPI and TLS/SSL, or you could give KfW a try.
If you'd like encryption support with SSPI, that's a bit of a project.

PS: Any way to make GSS more talkative? At this moment all that I can get as
logs is the above "computer says no".

Well, you're hitting the same issue over and over, it looks like.
Usually it's more informative in the minor code.

I unfortunately do not understand the phrase "Usually it's more informative
in the minor code" :-(

There's major codes and minor codes returned from the GSS APIs, the
major code being "it didn't work" and the minor code being "here's why".
In the above case, the major code would have been the "could not
initiate GSSAPI security context" while the minor code is what gets you
the "Internal credentials cache error" bit.  Of course, you're hitting
that very early on which is why you just keep hitting that error instead
of something more informative.

Hopefully the blog post and this discussion helps you make some
progress.  I wonder how close you are to everything working if you'd
just drop the 'gssencmode' setting, or maybe explicitly set it to
'disable'...

We dropped the gssencmode setting and were still getting the "Internal credentials cache error" error. That said, I'll have another session on probably Monday and I'll try to start from scratch, use the psql.exe that is coming with vanilla QGIS (without GSS support) (and not the one from OSGeo with compiled in GSS support) so that it absolutely should use SSPI and not use GSS at all.

Hopefully that will work. Wish me luck :-D! Thanks a lot for helping Stephen!!!
*t






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