Re: The tragedy of SQL

Rob Sargent <robjsargent@xxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:01:15 -0600



      >
        ORMs a function of poor development culture and vendor advocacy,
        not
      >
        the fault of SQL. If developers don't understand or are
        unwilling to
      >
        use joins in language A, they won't in language B either.
      >
      
      >
        merlin
      Back
        in the day, within IBM there were two separate relational
        databases.  System-R (which came from San Hose) and PRTV (the
        Peterlee Relational Test vehicle).  As I understand it SQL came
        from System-R and the optimizer (amongst other things) came from
        PRTV.
      

      PRTV
        (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Peterlee_Relational_Test_Vehicle_(PRTV))
        did not use SQL, and was never a released product, except with a
        graphical add-on which was sold to two UK local authorities for
        urban planning.
      

      So
        there are (and always have been) different ways to send requests
        to a relational DB, it is just that SQL won the day.
      

    Ah, lets not forget Mr Lane's favourite: quel