Is it possible that this is mainly an emotional discussion? Raymond Brinzer schreef op di 14-09-2021 om 02:39 [-0400]: > Many languages are awesome. I'm always astonished at what great > things people have come up with, over the years; it's been a > wonderfully fertile field. We would certainly not be better off if > we'd just buckled down, and used COBOL and FORTRAN... or even > relatively good languages like C, APL, and Lisp. > > It is certainly possible to change too lightly, for small reasons. > That doesn't mean that forever enduring the same problems is a good > idea. > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 2:18 AM Rob Sargent <robjsargent@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > On 9/13/21 11:51 PM, Guyren Howe wrote: > > > > They are making a decent decision. SQL is a *fucking terrible* > > language, which I don’t blame them for not wanting to learn. > > > > The whole industry, programming languages, infrastructure, > > everything would have developed differently if relations were a > > natural, pleasurable thing to use in any programming language. Like > > an Array, or a Hash. > > On Sep 13, 2021, 22:45 -0700, Hemil Ruparel < > > hemilruparel2002@xxxxxxxxx>, wrote: > > > > SQL is not the problem. Problem are the devs. I love SQL. I hate > > orms. The problem with databases is people refuse to treat it as > > the entity it is and want to use their beautiful OO system. Problem > > is databases are not OO. We need to recognize that and treat > > databases as databases. > > > > All languages are fucking terrible. There are thousands of the > > them because some people bump into a feature they don't like and > > run off an make another fucking terrible language. For the love of > > God, please don't be one of those people. The rest of us find > > languages we can abide and do productive things with using features > > we like and avoiding those we don't. I've always felt it was no > > small miracle the vendors managed to agree to ODBC/JDBC driver > > specs (even though the SQL language definition is "more like > > guidelines"). Go scream at the DOM and JavaScript. > >
