Not sure how you select the household > > The result is (only the first column is shown): > > household_name > > "Garcia" > "Armstrong" > "Armstrong" > "Bauer" > "Bauer" > "Berst" > "Berst" > "Minch (xxxx)" > "Berst" > “Besel” but unless you select from the resulting table using again an order by, the rows will be returned in an undetermined order. Such is the nature of the relational model - there is no order you can rely on when selecting, unless you specify it Hth, Peter