BTW, in Outlook Express if you are posting to the news.postgresql.org server it will not send a message to news.groups. So this message will not get there unless someone puts it there. If 4 are official and 16 are unofficial, why would that bother you? You can still access all of them the same way you do today. 4 of them would be accessible by more people and if they posted on the wrong group they can easily be let know which group is appropriate. For example, I posted a bug on the PGAdmin list, and they told me that it was a plpython bug and I should post it to the .bugs list. As for Mike being an " unknown interloper", since when did an open source forum become proprietary? He is probably a regular reader who is not a regular poster. He belongs to the postgresql community. Some people contribute by programming, other people contribute by documentation and he chose to contribute by helping to propogate the newsgroups. I think that is a worthy task and he should be thanked for doing this. Everyone always talks about how much work the core team has to do and I think that any task that someone else can contribute is a good thing. What if he recommended a new feature for the database would you say that he is an interloper and has no right to help determine the feature set? If you disagree with the proposal then discuss it in a calm fashion without name calling. If you think it should be better then help fix it. Don't stand on the sidelines yelling "hey batter batter..." <pvaurio@solaris.polarhome.com> wrote in message 1100046126.551730.36700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com">news:1100046126.551730.36700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > The new proposal should have all of the lists. I am amazed that an > unknown interloper is trying to dictate which lists should be voted on. > I am affiliated with a network of over 60 PostgreSql users/developers, > and I will e-mail each one of those people a ballot. If your next > proposal does not contain every single one of the lists, you can expect > essentially all of those 60 people to vote no. I will campaign > passionately against your proposal if you leave out even one of the > lists. Do the right thing if you are sincerely trying to help the list > subscribers. > > This is my last post to news.groups about this. > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend