While at first glance, it would seem a code of conduct is a good idea, having once would be pointless if there is no way to enforce it.
As others have already shown by totally ignoring the subject of this track and hijacking it into a discussion of fees (which, IMHO, is totally ridiculous),
there is no way it can be enforced. So while I applaud Joshua Drake for his good intent, I there must therefore take the position of saying no to a CoC and offer
my apologies to Mr. Drake for those that have so blatantly ignored the point of this discussion, as they are the ones are in need of the CoC but would most
probably ignore it anyway.
As others have already shown by totally ignoring the subject of this track and hijacking it into a discussion of fees (which, IMHO, is totally ridiculous),
there is no way it can be enforced. So while I applaud Joshua Drake for his good intent, I there must therefore take the position of saying no to a CoC and offer
my apologies to Mr. Drake for those that have so blatantly ignored the point of this discussion, as they are the ones are in need of the CoC but would most
probably ignore it anyway.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:32 AM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) <farjad.farid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi James,
I value your passion and commitment to postgresql. I am equally passionate about postgresql and am just like you another user but pointing these on simple commercial practical bases.
These are simple feedbacks.
Just one last example. Consider the music industry. For years Apple amongst others promoted low cost per unit downloads and then streaming. We all know the history.
Once a thriving industry music industry has been decimated. Neither the musicians nor song writers receive proper income any more.
All the major players recognise its current state is unsustainable.
*I am sure neither of us want to see postgresql to falter.*
Of course the right balance needs to be struck but for me at least the idea of free lunch has had its day.
There can be a low enough charge that people don't feel too much of a pinch but enough to sustain the progress of postgresql.
I genuinely don't like arguments over emails. These are complex issues.
Again I for one will continue to support postgresql team whatever their decision may be.
-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pgsql-general-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Keener
Sent: 06 January 2016 15:04
To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Is it time?
> My only aim is further progress of postgresql.
Charging for it would do exactly that. Most people would simply switch to MySQL (or Maria) or stop upgrading/upgrade to a fork.
> As per Sun Microsystem’s case charging zero dollars (for Java and
> mysql) means there is zero income.
Why do you think this is a company? There _are_ companies that offer support and coding. While I'm sure everyone would agree that developers should be able to eat (and more/better than Raman), the point of the "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group" and being "The world's most advanced open source database" is not to become Ellison. The commercial support and consulting offerings are there to make the money. The rest of us plebs just have to help each other out.
Had PostgreSQL started out/never became open source, we would be having a very different discussion (about a very different product, if it still existed). As it stands, fundamentally shifting the goals, objectives, MO of a libre and beer free software project to something other than that is going to be met with a lot of resistance because it shifts how we as users interact with something we've interacted with in a certain way and with certain expectations for years.
> Emails are not the best medium for consulting about complex issues.
Emails are actually a decent medium because they allow one to express themselves in a well thought out and clear way. It just has to be used correctly (and I'm not insinuating I'm great at that).
I'm not sure who Farjad is; is this a serious proposal or "just something someone said"? I feel religious about PostgreSQL as it really has changed how I view databases in general (and you know what they say about converts). Not that I matter, but I would feel a huge blow if I could no longer tell people to use it.
Jim
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