I've found this development framework for PHP that looks like it could be very useful. For basic app development it looks like it handles the add/edit/delete and input validation logic AND showing data in related tables. Most things that I've found like this don't support postgresql, so I was happy to find that this one does. http://www.achievo.org/atk/ The docs are a little thin and I was wondering if anyone had tried it out and had any pearls of wisdom. Cheers, Thom Dyson Director of Information Services Sybex, Inc.