Re: extremly bad select performance on huge table

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Hi Igor,

that was also my assumption, but unfortunately this isn't true.
I am using the explain analyze.

Example which is fast "explain analyze select value from smallertable inner join myhugetable ON smallertable.mycolumn = myhugetable.mycolumn"

130 - 140 sec

Example which is fast "explain analyze select value,c1 from smallertable inner join myhugetable ON smallertable.mycolumn = myhugetable.mycolumn"


does not complete after several hours although the c1 coulmn should only be relevant for retrieval.

Comparing the explain comparison of both statements gave me a hint:

adding the c1 column changes the query planner to make a sequential scan on myhugetable as well as on smallertable. This is much slower.

When I set enable_seqscan=false the queryplanner shows the same query plan for both statements but the statement including the c1 column does not complete after several hours.

How can this be explained?

I do not want the db server to prepare the whole query result at once, my intention is that the asynchronous retrieval starts as fast as possible.

Thanks
Björn





-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-performance-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pgsql-performance-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Björn Wittich
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:32 PM
To: pgsql-performance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:  extremly bad select performance on huge table

Hi Tom and Igor,

thanks for your help. With the reindex the select query running time was reduced from 5200 sec to 130 sec. Impressive!

Even a join on this table is now fast.

Unfortunately, there is now another problem: The table in my example has
500 columns which I want to retrieve with my join command.

Example which is fast "select value from smallertable inner join myhugetable ON smallertable.mycolumn = myhugetable.mycolumn"

Example which is slow "select value,c1,c2,c3,...,c10 from smallertable inner join myhugetable ON smallertable.mycolumn = myhugetable.mycolumn"


Which is the number of columns to fetch so bad ? Which action is done in
the db system when querying this via pgadmin? I think that there is no
real retrieval included, why is the number of additional columns so bad
for the join performance?

=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Bj=F6rn_Wittich?= <Bjoern_Wittich@xxxxxx> writes:
Here is the explain (analyze,buffers) select mycolumn from myhugetable
"Index Only Scan using myprimkey on myhugetable  (cost=0.00..8224444.82
rows=71768080 width=33) (actual time=16.722..2456300.778 rows=71825999
loops=1)"
"  Heap Fetches: 356861"
"  Buffers: shared hit=71799472 read=613813"
"Total runtime: 2503009.611 ms"
So that works out to about 4 msec per page fetched considering only I/O
costs, which is about as good as you're likely to get if the data is
sitting on spinning rust.

You could potentially make it faster with a VACUUM (to mark all pages
all-visible and eliminate the "heap fetches" costs), or a REINDEX
(so that the index scan becomes more nearly sequential instead of random
access).  However, unless the data is nearly static those will just be
temporary fixes: the time will degrade again as you update the table.

Note: This select is just for testing. My final statement will be a join
on this table via the "mycolumn" column.
In that case it's probably a waste of time to worry about the performance
of this query as such.  In the first place, a join is not likely to use
the index at all unless it's fetching a relatively small number of rows,
and in the second place it seems unlikely that the join query can use
an IndexOnlyScan on this index --- I imagine that the purpose of the join
will require fetching additional columns.

			regards, tom lane


Björn,

I think, the timing difference you see between 2 queries is caused by delivering to the front-end (PgAdmin) and displaying all additional columns that you include in the second query (much bigger amount of data to pass from the db to the client).
Pretty sure, if you do explain analyze on both queries, you'll see the same timing, because it'll reflect only db time without what's spent on delivering data to the client.

Regards,
Igor Neyman






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