On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM, <gnuoytr@xxxxxxx> wrote: > So, the $64 question: how did you find an engagement where, to bend Shakespeare, "first thing we do, is kill all the coders" isn't required? This RBAR mentality, abetted by xml/NoSql/xBase, is utterly pervasive. They absolutely refuse to learn anything different from the COBOL/VSAM messes of their grandfathers; well modulo syntax, of course. The mere suggestion, in my experience, that doing things faster with fewer lines of code/statements in the engine is met with overt hostility. It really depends. For a lot of development scaling to large numbers of users is never needed, and it's often more economical to develop quickly with a less efficient database layer. In my last job all our main development was against a large transactional / relational db. But some quick and dirty internal development used some very inefficient MVC methods but it only had to handle 45 users at a time, max, and that was 45 users who accessed the system a few minutes at a time. I've seen EVA systems that people tried to scale that were handling thousands of queries a second that when converted to real relational dbs needed dozens of queries a second to run, required a fraction of db horsepower, and could scale to the same number of users with only 1/10th to 1/100th the database underneath it. In those instances, you only have to show the much higher efficiency to the people who pay for the database servers. -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance