Re: Talking about optimizer, my long dream

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Greg, 1st off, thanx for your great book, and i really hope i find the time to read it
thoroughly. (since i am still stuck somewhere in the middle of "Administration Cookbook" lol!)
Well, people, speaking from the point of the occasional poster and frequent lurker
i can see that smth is going a little bit out of hand in the lists.
I remember my own thread 1-2 weeks ago about NOT IN working much better
in 8.3 than 9.0, how much i was trying to convince people that it was not
FreeBSD related, nor other setting related, trying to convince mladen
that i was not cheating with the explain analyze i posted, trying to answer politely to Tom
who was asking me to post smth that i had already posted 4-5 times till then,
and i can feel the agony of certain members here. 
Before i moved the thread from -admin over to -performance i had certain issues at my home's FreeBSD mail server.
Thank God, some reply i wrote one late night on -admin didn't make it to the list.
Anyways, that's open source. Great products, access to source and knowledge at a negligible cost come with a price.
So here is my advice to people in similar situations (me mainly!) : take a deep breath, dont hit the send button unless you are 
100% certain you have smth new/positive to say, take some time to do more homework from your part, even try
to read/hack the source, etc...
If this is not possible, then its better to seek for alternatives rather than turning angry.

just my 3 euros!

ÎÏÎÏ Friday 04 February 2011 16:27:55 Î/Î Greg Smith ÎÎÏÎÏÎ:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
> > I am even inclined to believe that deep down under the hood, this 
> > fatwa has an ulterior motive, which disgusts me deeply. With hints, 
> > there would be far fewer consulting gigs.
> 
> Now you're just being rude.  Given that you have direct access to the 
> developers of the software, for free, on these mailing lists, the main 
> reason there is consulting work anyway is because some companies can't 
> publish their queries or data publicly.  All of us doing PostgreSQL 
> consulting regularly take those confidental reports and turn them into 
> feedback to improve the core software.  That is what our clients want, 
> too:  a better PostgreSQL capable of handling their problem, not just a 
> hacked up application that works today, but will break later once data 
> volume or distribution changes.
> 
> You really just don't get how open-source development works at all if 
> you think money is involved in why people have their respective 
> technical opinions on controversial subjects.  Try and hire the 
> sometimes leader of this particular "fatwa", Tom Lane, for a consulting 
> gig if you think that's where his motivation lies.  I would love to have 
> a recording of *that* phone call.
> 
> -- 
> Greg Smith   2ndQuadrant US    greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   Baltimore, MD
> PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support  www.2ndQuadrant.us
> "PostgreSQL 9.0 High Performance": http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/books
> 
> 



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