dear pgers -- consider the following toy example (using pg 8.4.3) : create temporary table foo ( ts timestamp not null, id integer not null, val double precision not null, primary key (ts, id) ); i might want to return the vals, minus the averages at each timestamp. the obvious self-join results in a sequential scan over foo -- we aggregate the average val for EVERY timestamp, then join against the timestamps we want. us_quotedb=# explain select ts, id, val - aval from foo join (select ts, avg(val) as aval from foo group by ts) as a using (ts) where ts > '2010-11-11' and ts < '2010-11-13'; QUERY PLAN ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hash Join (cost=49.06..54.41 rows=8 width=28) Hash Cond: (pg_temp_2.foo.ts = pg_temp_2.foo.ts) -> HashAggregate (cost=34.45..36.95 rows=200 width=16) -> Seq Scan on foo (cost=0.00..26.30 rows=1630 width=16) -> Hash (cost=14.51..14.51 rows=8 width=20) -> Bitmap Heap Scan on foo (cost=4.33..14.51 rows=8 width=20) Recheck Cond: ((ts > '2010-11-11 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone) AND (ts < '2010-11-13 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone)) -> Bitmap Index Scan on foo_pkey (cost=0.00..4.33 rows=8 width=0) Index Cond: ((ts > '2010-11-11 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone) AND (ts < '2010-11-13 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone)) on the other hand, if i specify "which" timestamp i'm restricting, it appears to do the right thing: us_quotedb=# explain select ts, id, val - aval from foo join (select ts, avg(val) as aval from foo group by ts) as a using (ts) where a.ts > '2010-11-11' and a.ts < '2010-11-13'; QUERY PLAN ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nested Loop (cost=18.86..29.14 rows=8 width=28) -> HashAggregate (cost=14.55..14.56 rows=1 width=16) -> Bitmap Heap Scan on foo (cost=4.33..14.51 rows=8 width=16) Recheck Cond: ((ts > '2010-11-11 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone) AND (ts < '2010-11-13 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone)) -> Bitmap Index Scan on foo_pkey (cost=0.00..4.33 rows=8 width=0) Index Cond: ((ts > '2010-11-11 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone) AND (ts < '2010-11-13 00:00:00'::timestamp without time zone)) -> Bitmap Heap Scan on foo (cost=4.31..14.45 rows=8 width=20) Recheck Cond: (pg_temp_2.foo.ts = pg_temp_2.foo.ts) -> Bitmap Index Scan on foo_pkey (cost=0.00..4.31 rows=8 width=0) Index Cond: (pg_temp_2.foo.ts = pg_temp_2.foo.ts) i find this behavior curious. my understanding is that both queries are equivalent, and i would expect that the query planner would be able to choose either of those plans. this is important -- with the real data i'm working with, the table is very large, and the sequential scan is a killer. are these queries equivalent, or am i mistaken? if the planner distinguishes between these plans, how do i ensure that where clause restrictions propagate (correctly) to subqueries? best regards, ben -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance