Hi All, (pg 8.3.7 on RHEL 2.6.18-92.el5 ) I ran the query below (copied from http://pgsql.tapoueh.org/site/html/news/20080131.bloat.html ) on a production DB we have and I am looking at some pretty nasty looking numbers for tables in the pg_catalog schema. I have tried a reindex and vaccum but neither seem to be clearing these out, tried a cluster and it won't let me. I am viewing the problem wrong? is there anything I can do while the DB is online ? do I need to clean up other things first ? thanks, ..: Mark -[ RECORD 1 ]+-------------------------------- schemaname | pg_catalog tablename | pg_attribute reltuples | 5669 relpages | 113529 otta | 92 tbloat | 1234.0 wastedpages | 113437 wastedbytes | 929275904 wastedsize | 886 MB iname | pg_attribute_relid_attnam_index ituples | 5669 ipages | 68 iotta | 80 ibloat | 0.9 wastedipages | 0 wastedibytes | 0 wastedisize | 0 bytes SELECT schemaname, tablename, reltuples::bigint, relpages::bigint, otta, ROUND(CASE WHEN otta=0 THEN 0.0 ELSE sml.relpages/otta::numeric END,1) AS tbloat, relpages::bigint - otta AS wastedpages, bs*(sml.relpages-otta)::bigint AS wastedbytes, pg_size_pretty((bs*(relpages-otta))::bigint) AS wastedsize, iname, ituples::bigint, ipages::bigint, iotta, ROUND(CASE WHEN iotta=0 OR ipages=0 THEN 0.0 ELSE ipages/iotta::numeric END,1) AS ibloat, CASE WHEN ipages < iotta THEN 0 ELSE ipages::bigint - iotta END AS wastedipages, CASE WHEN ipages < iotta THEN 0 ELSE bs*(ipages-iotta) END AS wastedibytes, CASE WHEN ipages < iotta THEN pg_size_pretty(0) ELSE pg_size_pretty((bs*(ipages-iotta))::bigint) END AS wastedisize FROM ( SELECT schemaname, tablename, cc.reltuples, cc.relpages, bs, CEIL((cc.reltuples*((datahdr+ma- (CASE WHEN datahdr%ma=0 THEN ma ELSE datahdr%ma END))+nullhdr2+4))/(bs-20::float)) AS otta, COALESCE(c2.relname,'?') AS iname, COALESCE(c2.reltuples,0) AS ituples, COALESCE(c2.relpages,0) AS ipages, COALESCE(CEIL((c2.reltuples*(datahdr-12))/(bs-20::float)),0) AS iotta -- very rough approximation, assumes all cols FROM ( SELECT ma,bs,schemaname,tablename, (datawidth+(hdr+ma-(case when hdr%ma=0 THEN ma ELSE hdr%ma END)))::numeric AS datahdr, (maxfracsum*(nullhdr+ma-(case when nullhdr%ma=0 THEN ma ELSE nullhdr%ma END))) AS nullhdr2 FROM ( SELECT schemaname, tablename, hdr, ma, bs, SUM((1-null_frac)*avg_width) AS datawidth, MAX(null_frac) AS maxfracsum, hdr+( SELECT 1+count(*)/8 FROM pg_stats s2 WHERE null_frac<>0 AND s2.schemaname = s.schemaname AND s2.tablename = s.tablename ) AS nullhdr FROM pg_stats s, ( SELECT (SELECT current_setting('block_size')::numeric) AS bs, CASE WHEN substring(v,12,3) IN ('8.0','8.1','8.2') THEN 27 ELSE 23 END AS hdr, CASE WHEN v ~ 'mingw32' THEN 8 ELSE 4 END AS ma FROM (SELECT version() AS v) AS foo ) AS constants GROUP BY 1,2,3,4,5 ) AS foo ) AS rs JOIN pg_class cc ON cc.relname = rs.tablename JOIN pg_namespace nn ON cc.relnamespace = nn.oid AND nn.nspname = rs.schemaname LEFT JOIN pg_index i ON indrelid = cc.oid LEFT JOIN pg_class c2 ON c2.oid = i.indexrelid ) AS sml WHERE sml.relpages - otta > 0 OR ipages - iotta > 10 ORDER BY wastedbytes DESC, wastedibytes DESC -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance