Greg Smith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> You would have to have lightning handed by God to your server to have a >> total power failure without proper shutdown in the above scenario. > Do you live somewhere without thunderstorms? This is a regular event in > this part of the world during the summer. It happened to me once this > year and once last; lost count for previous ones. In both of the recent > cases it's believed the servers were burned from the Ethernet side because > somewhere in the network was a poor switch that wasn't isolated well > enough from the grid when the building was hit. Lightning is tricky that > way; cable TV and satellite wiring are also weak links that way. Yeah. I've lost half a dozen modems of varying generations, a server motherboard, a TiVo, a couple of VCRs, and miscellaneous other equipment from strikes near my house --- none closer than a couple blocks away. I don't really care to think about what would still work after a direct hit, despite the whole-house surge suppressor at the meter and the local suppressor on each circuit and the allegedly surge-proof UPSes powering all the valuable stuff. I've also moved heavily into wireless local net to eliminate any direct electrical connections between machines that are not on the same power circuit (the aforesaid burned motherboard taught me that particular lesson). And yet I still fear every time a thunderstorm passes over. Then of course there are the *other* risks, such as the place burning to the ground, or getting drowned by a break in the city reservoir that's a couple hundred yards up the hill (but at least I needn't worry about any nearby rivers rising, as I'm well above them). Or maybe being burgled by Oracle employees who are specifically after my backup tapes. If you ain't got a backup plan, you *will* lose data. Imagining that there is one perfect technological solution to this problem is the very fastest way to lose. regards, tom lane ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match