Re: Scaling concerns

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, tsuraan wrote:

Since my application is constantly adding to the database (far more is
written than is ever read), it would be nice to have a multiple-write,
single reader solution, if such a thing exists.

You seem to be working from the assumption that you have a scaling issue, and that therefore you should be researching how to scale your app to more machines. I'm not so sure you do; I would suggest that you drop that entire idea for now, spend some time doing basic performance tuning for Postgres instead, and only after then consider adding more machines. It does little good to add more incorrectly setup servers to the mix, and solving the multiple-write problem is hard. Let's take a quick tour through your earlier messages:

My postgres settings are entirely default with the exception of shared_buffers being set to 40,000 and max_connections set to 400. I'm not sure what the meaning of most of the other settings are, so I haven't touched them.

http://www.powerpostgresql.com/Downloads/annotated_conf_80.html is a good intro to the various parameters you might set, with some valuable hints on the effective range you should be considering. I'd suggest you use that to identify the most likely things to increase, then read the manuals at http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/interactive/runtime-config.html for more detail on what you're actually adjusting. To get you started, consider increasing effective_cache_size, checkpoint_segments, and work_mem; those are three whose defaults are very low for your application, relative to your hardware. The thought of how your poor database is suffering when trying to manage a heavy write load with the default checkpoint_segments in particular makes me sad, especially when we add:

The machines running the database servers are my home desktop (a dual-core athlon 3200+ with 2GB RAM and a 120GB SATA II drive), and a production server with two dual-core Intel chips, 4 GB RAM, and a RAID 5 array of SATA II drives on a 3Ware 9550 controller.

One big RAID 5 volume is probably the worst setup available for what you're doing. Luke already gave you a suggestion for testing write speed; you should run that test, but I wouldn't expect happy numbers there. You might be able to get by with the main database running like that, but think about what you'd need to do to add more disks (or reorganize the ones you have) so that you could dedicate a pair to a RAID-1 volume for holding the WAL. If you're limited by write performance, I think you'd find adding a separate WAL drive set a dramatically more productive upgrade than trying to split the app to another machine. Try it on your home machine first; that's a cheap upgrade, to add another SATA drive to there, and you should see a marked improvement (especially once you get the server parameters set to more appropriate values).

I'd also suggest that you'd probably be able to get more help from people here if you posted a snippet of output from vmstat and iostat -x with a low interval (say 5 seconds) during a period where the machine was busy; that's helpful for figuring out where the bottleneck on your machine really is.

Trying to do "INSERT INTO Messages(path, msgid) SELECT (path, msgid) FROM tmpMessages" took a really long time before psql died with an out-of-memory error.

Do you have the exact text of the error? I suspect you're falling victim to the default parameters being far too low here as well, but without the error it's hard to know exactly which.

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* Greg Smith gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD


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