Jim, > Well, that's not what I said (my point being that until the planner and > stats are perfect you need a way to over-ride them)... but I've also > never said hints would be faster or easier than stats modification (I > said I hope they would). Yes, you did. Repeatedly. On this and other threads, you've made the statement at least three times that per-query hints are the only way to go for 8.3. Your insistence on this view has been so strident that if I didn't know you better, I would assume some kind of hidden agenda. Stop harping on the "per-query hints are the true way and the only way", or prepare to have people start simply ignoring you. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco