Re: Should Oracle outperform PostgreSQL on a complex

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Simon Riggs wrote:
On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 13:13 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:

Simon Riggs <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 23:28 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:

How are star joins different from what we do now?

Methods:
1. join all N small tables together in a cartesian product, then join to
main Large table once (rather than N times)

Of course, the reason the current planner does not think of this is that
it does not consider clauseless joins unless there is no alternative.


Understood


The plan you currently get for
this sort of scenario is typically a nest of hash joins:

QUERY PLAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hash Join  (cost=2.25..4652.25 rows=102400 width=16)
  Hash Cond: ("outer".f1 = "inner".f1)
  ->  Hash Join  (cost=1.12..3115.12 rows=102400 width=12)
        Hash Cond: ("outer".f2 = "inner".f1)
        ->  Seq Scan on fact  (cost=0.00..1578.00 rows=102400 width=8)
        ->  Hash  (cost=1.10..1.10 rows=10 width=4)
              ->  Seq Scan on d2  (cost=0.00..1.10 rows=10 width=4)
  ->  Hash  (cost=1.10..1.10 rows=10 width=4)
        ->  Seq Scan on d1  (cost=0.00..1.10 rows=10 width=4)
(9 rows)

This involves only one scan of the fact table.  As each row is pulled up
through the nest of hash joins, we hash one dimension key and join to
one small table at each level.


Understood


This is at worst the same amount of work
as hashing all the keys at once and probing a single cartesian-product
hashtable, probably less work (fewer wasted key-comparisons).  And
definitely less memory.  You do have to keep your eye on the ball that
you don't waste a lot of overhead propagating the row up through
multiple join levels, but we got rid of most of the problem there in
8.1 via the introduction of "virtual tuple slots".  If this isn't fast
enough yet, it'd make more sense to invest effort in further cutting the
executor's join overhead (which of course benefits *all* plan types)
than in trying to make the planner choose a star join.


That join type is used when an index-organised table is available, so
that a SeqScan of the larger table can be avoided.

I'd say the plan would make sense if the columns of the cartesian
product match a multi-column index on the larger table that would not
ever be used unless sufficient columns are restricted in each lookup.
That way you are able to avoid the SeqScan that occurs for the multiple
nested Hash Join case. (Clearly, normal selectivity rules apply on the
use of the index in this way).

So I think that plan type still can be effective in some circumstances.
Mind you: building an N-way index on a large table isn't such a good
idea, unless you can partition the tables and still use a join. Which is
why I've not centred on this case as being important before now.

My understanding: Teradata and DB2 use this.


FWIW - I think DB2 uses the successive fact RID buildup (i.e method 2), unfortunately I haven't got a working copy of DB2 in front of me to test.

Cheers

Mark


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