I am puzzled on the supposed two methods of starting postgres--"pg_ctl start" and "service postgresql start". Below is my understanding. It would be great to have some clarification on them. My confusion stems from when I first intitiated postgres by creating the database cluster with "initdb". I am positive that I had to perform both commands to get everything working, "pg_ctl start" as the postgres user and then "service postgresql start" as root. If I understand this correctly using the command "pg_ctl start" starts postmaster but the process (ps ax | grep post) is listed as /usr/bin/postgres using the command "service postgresql start" starts postmaster but the process (ps ax | grep post) is listed as /usr/bin/postmaster -p 5432 -D /var/lib/pgsql/data And both are the same thing? Thanks Marc Fromm Information Technology Specialist II Financial Aid Department Western Washington University Phone: 360-650-3351 Fax: 360-788-0251 -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) To make changes to your subscription: http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-admin