selecting pg_attributes for the casedocument table shows there is column with the following attributes 24216115|"........pg.dropped.2........"|0|0|-1|2|0|-1|-1|f|"x"|"i"|f|f| t|t| I also noticed a few other tables have a similar "dropped" column. Could this be the reference to the toast table that is preventing the vacuum from deleting the toast data? And what purges "dropped" columns if not a full vacuum. On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 06:52 -0600, Warren Little wrote: > I am now a little confused. > > I ran the following with all but localhost connections disabled > > vacuumdb --full --verbose -t casedocument -d tigris > vacfull.log 2>&1 > > which produced the following output: > > INFO: vacuuming "public.casedocument" > INFO: "casedocument": found 0 removable, 39663 nonremovable row > versions in 852 pages > DETAIL: 0 dead row versions cannot be removed yet. > Nonremovable row versions range from 138 to 1953 bytes long. > There were 1855 unused item pointers. > Total free space (including removable row versions) is 65168 bytes. > 0 pages are or will become empty, including 0 at the end of the table. > 90 pages containing 14644 free bytes are potential move destinations. > CPU 0.02s/0.00u sec elapsed 0.24 sec. > INFO: index "copycasedoc_pkey" now contains 39663 row versions in 387 > pages > DETAIL: 0 index row versions were removed. > 0 index pages have been deleted, 0 are currently reusable. > CPU 0.01s/0.00u sec elapsed 0.56 sec. > INFO: "casedocument": moved 0 row versions, truncated 852 to 852 pages > DETAIL: CPU 0.00s/0.01u sec elapsed 0.03 sec. > INFO: vacuuming "pg_toast.pg_toast_24216115" > INFO: "pg_toast_24216115": found 0 removable, 23125332 nonremovable row > versions in 5781284 pages > DETAIL: 0 dead row versions cannot be removed yet. > Nonremovable row versions range from 45 to 2030 bytes long. > There were 1 unused item pointers. > Total free space (including removable row versions) is 185874460 bytes. > 0 pages are or will become empty, including 0 at the end of the table. > 24019 pages containing 24668944 free bytes are potential move > destinations. > CPU 217.21s/16.97u sec elapsed 1745.04 sec. > INFO: index "pg_toast_24216115_index" now contains 23125332 row > versions in 94046 pages > DETAIL: 0 index row versions were removed. > 1427 index pages have been deleted, 1427 are currently reusable. > CPU 4.60s/1.05u sec elapsed 49.34 sec. > INFO: "pg_toast_24216115": moved 0 row versions, truncated 5781284 to > 5781284 pages > DETAIL: CPU 0.00s/0.00u sec elapsed 0.00 sec. > VACUUM > > Not sure if I'm reading the output correctly, but it appears no rows in > the toast table were removed. > What else could be holding onto the data in "pg_toast_24216115" ??? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 16:03 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > > Warren Little <warren.little@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > 3) I know that once upon a time the table had a bytea column, but that > > > was dropped. Do I need to do a full vacuum on that table to get rid of > > > the related toast data? > > > > Yup. (I take it it was a pretty darn bulky bytea column, too) > > > > regards, tom lane -- Warren Little Chief Technology Officer Meridias Capital Inc 1018 W Atherton Dr SLC, UT 84123 ph 866.369.7763