Re: [PATCH 0/2] Minor updates

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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:11:20 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 12:54:46AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:15:50 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 08, 2019 at 08:41:45AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 08:43:08 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 07, 2019 at 01:05:17PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This patch set fixes minor issues I noticed while reading your
>>>>>> recent updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Queued and pushed, along with a fix to another of my typos, thank
>>>>> you very much!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apart from the changes, I'd like you to mention in the answer to
>>>>>> Quick Quiz 9.43 that modern Intel CPUs don't execute x86_64
>>>>>> instructions directly, but decode them into uOPs (via MOP) and
>>>>>> keep them in a uOP cache [1].
>>>>>> So the execution cycle is not necessarily corresponds to instruction
>>>>>> count, but heavily depends on the behavior of the microarch, which
>>>>>> is not predictable without actually running the code. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/skylake_(server)
>>>>>
>>>>> My thought is that I should review the "Hardware and it Habits" chapter,
>>>>> add this information if it is not already present, and then make the
>>>>> answer to this Quick Quiz refer back to that.  Does that seem reasonable?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it sounds quite reasonable!
>>>>
>>>> (Skimming through the chapter...)
>>>>
>>>> So Section 3.1.1 lightly touches pipelining. Section 3.2 mostly discusses
>>>> memory sub-systems.
>>>>
>>>> Modern Intel architectures can be thought of as superscalar RISC
>>>> processors which emulate x86 ISA. The transformation of x86 instructions
>>>> into uOPs can be thought of as another layer of optimization
>>>> (sometimes "de-optimization" from compiler writer's POV) ;-).
>>>>
>>>> But deep-diving this topic would cost you another chapter/appendix.
>>>> I'm not sure if it's worthwhile for perfbook.
>>>> Maybe it would suffice to lightly touch the difficulty of
>>>> predicting execution cycles of particular instruction streams
>>>> on modern microprocessors (not limited to Intel's), and put
>>>> a few citations of textbooks/reference manuals.
>>>
>>> What I did was to add a rough diagram and a paragraph or two of
>>> explanation to Section 3.1.1, then add a reference to that section
>>> in the Quick Quiz.
>>
>> I'd like to see a couple of more keywords to be mentioned here other
>> than "pipeline".  "Super-scalar" is present in Glossary, but
>> "Superscalar" looks much common these days. Appended below is
>> a tentative patch I made to show you my idea. Please feel free
>> to edit as you'd like before applying it.
>>
>> Another point I'd like to suggest.
>> Figure 9.23 and the following figures still show the result on
>> a 16 CPU system. Looks like it is difficult to make plots of 448-thread
>> system corresponding to them. Can you add info on the HW system
>> where those 16 CPU results were obtained in the beginning of
>> Section 9.5.4.2?
>>
>>         Thanks, Akira
>>
>> -------------8<-------------------
>> >From 7e5c17a2e816a23bb12aa23f18ed96d5e820fc3a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 00:23:59 +0900
>> Subject: [TENTATIVE PATCH] cpu/overview: Mention approaches other than 'pipelining'
>>
>> Also remove "-" from "Super-scaler" in Glossary.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Good points, thank you!
> 
> Applied with a few inevitable edits.  ;-)

Quite a few edits!  Thank you.

Let me reiterate my earlier suggestion:

>> Another point I'd like to suggest.
>> Figure 9.23 and the following figures still show the result on
>> a 16 CPU system. Looks like it is difficult to make plots of 448-thread
>> system corresponding to them. Can you add info on the HW system
>> where those 16 CPU results were obtained in the beginning of
>> Section 9.5.4.2?

Can you look into this as well?

        Thanks, Akira

> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
>> ---
>>  cpu/overview.tex   | 22 ++++++++++++++--------
>>  defer/rcuusage.tex |  2 +-
>>  glossary.tex       |  4 ++--
>>  3 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/cpu/overview.tex b/cpu/overview.tex
>> index b80f47c1..191c1c68 100644
>> --- a/cpu/overview.tex
>> +++ b/cpu/overview.tex
>> @@ -42,11 +42,13 @@ In the early 1980s, the typical microprocessor fetched an instruction,
>>  decoded it, and executed it, typically taking \emph{at least} three
>>  clock cycles to complete one instruction before proceeding to the next.
>>  In contrast, the CPU of the late 1990s and of the 2000s execute
>> -many instructions simultaneously, using a deep \emph{pipeline} to control
>> +many instructions simultaneously, using a combination of approaches
>> +including \emph{pipeline}, \emph{superscalar}, \emph{out-of-order},
>> +and \emph{speculative} execution, to control
>>  the flow of instructions internally to the CPU.
>>  Some cores have more than one hardware thread, which is variously called
>>  \emph{simultaneous multithreading} (SMT) or \emph{hyperthreading}
>> -(HT)~\cite{JFennel1973SMT}.
>> +(HT)~\cite{JFennel1973SMT},
>>  each of which appears as
>>  an independent CPU to software, at least from a functional viewpoint.
>>  These modern hardware features can greatly improve performance, as
>> @@ -96,14 +98,17 @@ Figure~\ref{fig:cpu:CPU Meets a Pipeline Flush}.
>>  \end{figure}
>>  
>>  This gets even worse in the increasingly common case of hyperthreading
>> -(or SMT, if you prefer).
>> +(or SMT, if you prefer).\footnote{
>> +	Superscalar is involved in most cases, too.
>> +}
>>  In this case, all the hardware threads sharing a core also share that
>>  core's resources, including registers, cache, execution units, and so on.
>> -The instruction streams are decoded into micro-operations, and use of the
>> -shared execution units and the hundreds of hardware registers is coordinated
>> +The instruction streams might be decoded into micro-operations,
>> +and use of the shared execution units and the hundreds of hardware
>> +registers can be coordinated
>>  by a micro-operation scheduler.
>> -A rough diagram of a two-threaded core is shown in
>> -\Cref{fig:cpu:Rough View of Modern Micro-Architecture},
>> +A rough diagram of such a two-threaded core is shown in
>> +\cref{fig:cpu:Rough View of Modern Micro-Architecture},
>>  and more accurate (and thus more complex) diagrams are available in
>>  textbooks and scholarly papers.\footnote{
>>  	Here is one example for a late-2010s Intel CPU:
>> @@ -123,7 +128,8 @@ of clairvoyance.
>>  In particular, adding an instruction to a tight loop can sometimes
>>  actually speed up execution, counterintuitive though that might be.
>>  
>> -Unfortunately, pipeline flushes are not the only hazards in the obstacle
>> +Unfortunately, pipeline flushes and shared-resource contentions
>> +are not the only hazards in the obstacle
>>  course that modern CPUs must run.
>>  The next section covers the hazards of referencing memory.
>>  
>> diff --git a/defer/rcuusage.tex b/defer/rcuusage.tex
>> index 7fe633c3..fa04ddb6 100644
>> --- a/defer/rcuusage.tex
>> +++ b/defer/rcuusage.tex
>> @@ -139,7 +139,7 @@ that of the ideal synchronization-free workload.
>>  	are long gone.
>>  
>>  	But those of you who read
>> -	\Cref{sec:cpu:Pipelined CPUs}
>> +	\cref{sec:cpu:Pipelined CPUs}
>>  	carefully already knew all of this!
>>  
>>  	These counter-intuitive results of course means that any
>> diff --git a/glossary.tex b/glossary.tex
>> index c10ffe4e..4a3aa796 100644
>> --- a/glossary.tex
>> +++ b/glossary.tex
>> @@ -382,11 +382,11 @@
>>  	as well as its cache so as to ensure that the software sees
>>  	the memory operations performed by this CPU as if they
>>  	were carried out in program order.
>> -\item[Super-Scalar CPU:]
>> +\item[Superscalar CPU:]
>>  	A scalar (non-vector) CPU capable of executing multiple instructions
>>  	concurrently.
>>  	This is a step up from a pipelined CPU that executes multiple
>> -	instructions in an assembly-line fashion---in a super-scalar
>> +	instructions in an assembly-line fashion---in a superscalar
>>  	CPU, each stage of the pipeline would be capable of handling
>>  	more than one instruction.
>>  	For example, if the conditions were exactly right,
>> -- 
>> 2.17.1
>>




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