On 2017/11/02 16:53:44 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 11:19:45PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote: >> Hi Paul >> >> I couldn't follow the reasoning around the following _artificial_ hunk. >> >> diff --git a/formal/regression.tex b/formal/regression.tex >> index 29cb787..9831b9d 100644 >> --- a/formal/regression.tex >> +++ b/formal/regression.tex >> @@ -387,6 +387,7 @@ To see this, keep in mind that on average, every six fixes introduces >> a bug. >> Therefore, fixing the 24 bugs, which had a combine mean time to failure >> of about 40,000 years, will introduce three more bugs. >> +??? >> These three bugs most likely fail more often than once per 13,000 years, >> so the reliability of the software has decreased. >> >> Where did the "once per 13,000 years" come from? >> 13,000 was derived from 40,000/3? >> >> But in this argument, original 24 bugs are fixed, and 3 new bugs are introduced. >> We have no idea what failure rate the new bugs would have, don't we??? >> >> What am I missing? > > You are not missing much, but it looks like I was thinking backwards. > For one thing, I was using an outdated bug-injection rate, more recent > figures are 7%. I updated this, (hopefully) fixed and clarified the > reasoning, and added a citation for the 7%. How does the patch below > look? Nice clarification! Now the reasoning is easy to follow. Acked-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@xxxxxxxxx> Thanks, Akira > > Thanx, Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > commit b1efdff66eb050317232dd36bd4b1385ed24524d > Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Thu Nov 2 16:50:44 2017 -0700 > > formal: Update bug-injection rate and clarify reasoning > > New data says 7% instead of 1-of-6, and the math was backwards. > > Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@xxxxxxxxx> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > diff --git a/formal/regression.tex b/formal/regression.tex > index 29cb78709f76..479ae020b518 100644 > --- a/formal/regression.tex > +++ b/formal/regression.tex > @@ -374,28 +374,68 @@ type of validation effort. > Clearly, false positives are to be avoided. > But even in the absense of false postives, there are bugs and there are bugs. > > -For example, suppose that a software artifact had exactly 24 remaining > +For example, suppose that a software artifact had exactly 100 remaining > bugs, each of which manifested on average once every million years > of runtime. > Suppose further that an omniscient formal-verification tool located > -all 24 bugs, which the developers duly fixed. > +all 100 bugs, which the developers duly fixed. > What happens to the reliability of this software artifact? > > -The reliability \emph{decreases}. > +The perhaps surprising answer is that the reliability \emph{decreases}. > > -To see this, keep in mind that on average, every six fixes introduces > -a bug. > -Therefore, fixing the 24 bugs, which had a combine mean time to failure > -of about 40,000 years, will introduce three more bugs. > -These three bugs most likely fail more often than once per 13,000 years, > -so the reliability of the software has decreased. > +To see this, keep in mind that historical experience indicates that > +about 7\% of fixes introduce a new bug~\cite{RexBlack2012SQA}. > +Therefore, fixing the 100 bugs, which had a combined mean time to failure > +(MTBF) of about 10,000 years, will introduce seven more bugs. > +Historical statistics indicate that each new bug will have an MTBF > +much less than 70,000 years. > +This in turn suggests that the combined MTBF of these seven new bugs > +will most likely be much less than 10,000 years, which in turn means > +that the well-intentioned fixing of the original 100 bugs actually > +decreased the reliability of the overall software. > + > +\QuickQuiz{} > + How do we know that the MTBFs of known bugs is a good estimate > + of the MTBFs of bugs that have not yet been located? > +\QuickQuizAnswer{ > + We don't, but it does not matter. > + > + To see this, note that the 7\% figure only applies to injected > + bugs that were subsequently located: It necessarily ignores > + any injected bugs that were never found. > + Therefore, the MTBF statistics of known bugs is likely to be > + a good approximation of that of the injected bugs that are > + subsequently located. > + > + A key point in this whole section is that we should be more > + concerned about bugs that inconvenience users than about > + other bugs that never actually manifest. > + This of course is \emph{not} to say that we should completely > + ignore bugs that have not yet inconvenienced users, just that > + we should properly prioritize our efforts so as to fix the > + most important and urgent bugs first. > +} \QuickQuizEnd > + > +\QuickQuiz{} > + But the formal-verification tools should immediately find all the > + bugs introduced by the fixes, so why is this a problem? > +\QuickQuizAnswer{ > + It is a problem because real-world formal-verification tools > + (as opposed to those that exist only in the imaginations of > + the more vociferous proponents of formal verification) are > + not omniscient, and thus are only able to locate certain types > + of bugs. > + For but one example, formal-verification tools are unlikely to > + spot a bug corresponding to an omitted assertion or, equivalently, > + a bug corresponding to an omitted portion of the specification. > +} \QuickQuizEnd > > Worse yet, imagine another software artifact with one bug that fails > -once every day on average and 24 more that fail every million years > +once every day on average and 99 more that fail every million years > each. > -Suppose that a formal-verification tool located the 24 million-year > +Suppose that a formal-verification tool located the 99 million-year > bugs, but failed to find the one-day bug. > -Fixing the 24 bugs located will take time and effort, likely slightly > +Fixing the 99 bugs located will take time and effort, likely slightly > decrease reliability, and do nothing at all about the pressing > each-day failure that is likely causing much embarrassment and perhaps > much worse besides. > > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe perfbook" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html