In reply to that last message: I think I've got the full picture now. If I change the passwd entries to have "x" instead of "*" for the password field, this will work for redhat, but it won't work for freebsd, so I'm back to using un-shadowed passwords. Greg _______________________________________________ Pam-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/pam-list