I created a password length enforcing module -- is there sufficient interest to have Andrew list it on his list of modules and/or use it as a sample module (it is very short)? I needed it because we have a need to impose an upper size limit, but I wanted to write my own module instead of the more obvious thing of enhancing pam_cracklib. It supports use_first_pass, try_first_pass, debug, no_warn, min= and max=. -- Scott Nelson Thermeon Corporation - St. Louis Voice: (314) 316-6010 E-Mail: ScottNelson@Thermeon.com