Hey all, I have users that need root access to their workstations. Reading the pam documentation for the pam_wheel module it sounds like I can allow them to 'su -' without entering a password. This is ideal because I don't want to give them that root password, i'd rather keep that to myself. Problem is, it doesn't work. I'm using red hat 7.2. Here is the contents of /etc/pam.d/su: #%PAM-1.0 auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_rootok.so # Uncomment the following line to implicitly trust users in the "wheel" group. auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_wheel.so trust use_uid # Uncomment the following line to require a user to be in the "wheel" group. #auth required /lib/security/pam_wheel.so use_uid auth required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth account required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth password required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth session required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth session optional /lib/security/pam_xauth.so Here is output from the id command as a user: uid=976(jabagley) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),0(root),98(ident) when 'su -' is entered, i am prompted for a password. Did I missunderstand the pam documentation? what is wrong? thanks, -- James Bagley | CDI Innovantage james_bagley@non.agilent.com | Technical Computing UNIX Admin Support DON'T PANIC | Agilent Technologies IT Phone: (541) 738-3340 | Corvallis, Oregon --