Hi, I use pam-0.75-19, redhat 7.2. Basically, I can't start X as a user, using startx, even when the user has rights over the console given by pam_console. X says Fatal server error: PAM authentication failed, cannot start X server. Perhaps you do not have console ownership? startx as root works, and it also works well with a display manager. > However, RH changed the way pam_console saves who has the console > ownership. It is now two files /var/run/console.lock and > /var/run/console/<username>. I dont know why, but this is probably > documented in the sources, implicitly if not explicitly :). The way These files are also mentionned in the pam_console man page, but without any explaination. In my case the right things are in these files. > pam_console saves console ownership should not matter as long as you are > just using pam_console and trust it to do its thing. If pam_console is not > needed, removing it from /etc/pam.d/xserver (and using some other I think it is needed. But it isn't sufficient in my case. However I have an idea, maybe the problem happens because I haven't devfsd installed and maybe the console devices aren't exactly the same than in 7.0. I will look at that. Pat