Hi, the quickie version.....I have a script which initiates ifup ppp0. Here is a bit from /var/log/messages This one failed......... Jul 8 17:30:34 deli-1 kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered Jul 8 17:30:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: local IP address 209.114.157.51 Jul 8 17:30:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: remote IP address 209.114.165.30 Jul 8 17:30:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: primary DNS address 209.166.160.36 Jul 8 17:30:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: secondary DNS address 209.166.160.132 Jul 8 18:00:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: IPCP terminated by peer Jul 8 18:00:34 deli-1 pppd[6468]: LCP terminated by peer Jul 8 18:00:37 deli-1 pppd[6468]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Jul 8 18:00:37 deli-1 pppd[6468]: Modem hangup Jul 8 18:00:37 deli-1 pppd[6468]: Connection terminated. This one worked..... Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 pppd[8818]: local IP address 209.114.157.118 Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 pppd[8818]: remote IP address 209.114.165.30 Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 pppd[8818]: primary DNS address 209.166.160.36 Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 pppd[8818]: secondary DNS address 209.166.160.132 Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 su(pam_unix)[8915]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jul 9 04:31:55 deli-1 su(pam_unix)[8915]: session closed for user root Jul 9 04:34:02 deli-1 pppd[8818]: Terminating on signal 15. Jul 9 04:34:02 deli-1 pppd[8818]: Connection terminated. Jul 9 04:34:02 deli-1 pppd[8818]: Connect time 2.2 minutes. Jul 9 04:34:02 deli-1 pppd[8818]: Sent 51351 bytes, received 13468 bytes. In practically every instance where the script finished, there was the "su(pam_unix)" , and every time the "su(pam_unix)" was missing, it failed. Can someone tell me why?, or where I should start looking? ???? I'm a newbie ,but trying really hard :-) thanks! Rich E-mail: mailto:rrosenbaum@dmralliance.com