It's been my experience with lists that people who don't wish to be on them, are extremely vocal to be taken off. If thus holds true I'd say a number of people glance at the list and if nothing catches their fancy, they delete. You could always implement a 1 Year if no response, deletion policy. ---------------------------------------- Mar 19, 2023 8:10:54 PM openssl-users-request@xxxxxxxxxxx: > Send openssl-users mailing list submissions to > openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mta.openssl.org/mailman/listinfo/openssl-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > openssl-users-request@xxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > openssl-users-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of openssl-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > (Stephen Farrell) > 2. Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > (Viktor Dukhovni) > 3. Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > (Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:18:06 +0000 > From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> > To: Tim Hudson <tjh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Dr. Matthias St. Pierre" > <Matthias.St.Pierre@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: openssl-users <openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > Message-ID: <c7db2590-1f76-ffc2-1794-7bc65456c60d@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > > Hiya, > > On 19/03/2023 21:20, Tim Hudson wrote: >> Right now it is sitting at about 20-30 people who have responded. That is a >> small set of feedback (given the size of the list) > > I'd suggest being careful in what you wish for - asking > that everyone on the list +1 the response closest to > their own seems like a bad ask to me fwiw. I'd hope that > what seems so far pretty close to unanimity would be a > sufficient signal without numerous +1's. > > Cheers, > S. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: OpenPGP_0xE4D8E9F997A833DD.asc > Type: application/pgp-keys > Size: 1197 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP public key > URL: <https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-users/attachments/20230319/d8c388c6/attachment-0001.asc> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: OpenPGP_signature > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 236 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: <https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-users/attachments/20230319/d8c388c6/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 19:51:22 -0400 > From: Viktor Dukhovni <openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > Message-ID: <ZBef+mvuADxtGI8V@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 07:20:43AM +1000, Tim Hudson wrote: > >> You should go to https://github.com/openssl/openssl and click on Watch now >> - selecting "All Activity". > > I, for one, am not going to do that. If someone wants to ask questions > on Github, they're welcome to get answers from those who are immersed in > and productive in Github as a communication medium. It isn't a medium > that works for me. > >> - if you won't go to GitHub regularly and simply want to see things in >> email, then you should be watching GitHub issues as you are missing >> the majority of the interactions > > See above. I am not looking to participate in all the Github issues, a > different community of volunteers will help the users who want to ask > their questions there. Meanwhile, I'm willing to learn from and > contribute to the discussion on this list. > >> We are seeking input on this potential change if you are currently >> actively contributing on openssl-users mailing list discussion and *you* >> *believe such a change would substantially reduce your participation in* >> *the project*. > > Yes, such a change would reduce my participation in answering user > questions or learning from answers given by others. Ideally, users > asking for general help (as opposed to reporting bugs, ...) would be > encouraged to post here, but it seems that's not how those who hang > out on Github see it. > >> There are people pointing out they prefer email - but the majority of those >> people who have responded so far are also watching GitHub issues and are >> also responding to GitHub issues. > > FWIW, I am not among them. Some Github issues and pull requests are > brought to my attention, and then I may participate in *that* Github > issue or pull request, but otherwise, I can be found here and not on > Github, unless directly pinged on a specific issue or PR. > > -- > Viktor. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 00:09:39 +0000 > From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx" <openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: OpenSSL project is considering to close this mailing list > Message-ID: <C94B895D-CF8F-42D2-A1CA-9E8A705B3C36@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Count me in - completely agree with Viktor. I?ve created my share of GitHub issues, and in the past contributed a few patches - guess, it means my participation was somewhat useful for the project. > > I practically never participate in somebody else?s GitHub issues. But I did answer a few questions here (and asked a lot more ;). > > If the (idiotic) decision to close this list does get implemented, I?m probably switch to another library altogether (thank God f?r Botan and WolfSSL, among others). > > Thanks for listening. > > Regards, > Uri > > P.S. Contrary to what Stephen said: if you?re a member of this list and do not want it to go away - please don?t worry about the spam factor and send a ?+1? reply back to the list. Otherwise, ?they? just won?t get it, it seems. > > >> On Mar 19, 2023, at 19:52, Viktor Dukhovni <openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> ?On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 07:20:43AM +1000, Tim Hudson wrote: >> >>> You should go to https://github.com/openssl/openssl and click on Watch now >>> - selecting "All Activity". >> >> I, for one, am not going to do that. If someone wants to ask questions >> on Github, they're welcome to get answers from those who are immersed in >> and productive in Github as a communication medium. It isn't a medium >> that works for me. >> >>> - if you won't go to GitHub regularly and simply want to see things in >>> email, then you should be watching GitHub issues as you are missing >>> the majority of the interactions >> >> See above. I am not looking to participate in all the Github issues, a >> different community of volunteers will help the users who want to ask >> their questions there. Meanwhile, I'm willing to learn from and >> contribute to the discussion on this list. >> >>> We are seeking input on this potential change if you are currently >>> actively contributing on openssl-users mailing list discussion and *you* >>> *believe such a change would substantially reduce your participation in* >>> *the project*. >> >> Yes, such a change would reduce my participation in answering user >> questions or learning from answers given by others. Ideally, users >> asking for general help (as opposed to reporting bugs, ...) would be >> encouraged to post here, but it seems that's not how those who hang >> out on Github see it. >> >>> There are people pointing out they prefer email - but the majority of those >>> people who have responded so far are also watching GitHub issues and are >>> also responding to GitHub issues. >> >> FWIW, I am not among them. Some Github issues and pull requests are >> brought to my attention, and then I may participate in *that* Github >> issue or pull request, but otherwise, I can be found here and not on >> Github, unless directly pinged on a specific issue or PR. >> >> -- >> Viktor. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-users/attachments/20230320/a27cc189/attachment.htm> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: smime.p7s > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > Size: 5819 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: <https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-users/attachments/20230320/a27cc189/attachment.p7s> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > openssl-users mailing list > openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx > https://mta.openssl.org/mailman/listinfo/openssl-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of openssl-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 43 > **********************************************
