RE: Best way of preventing denial of service attacks by way of secure client-initiated renegotiation

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Ok, great thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Caswell <matt@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday 15 April 2019 14:45
To: tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx; openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Best way of preventing denial of service attacks by way of secure client-initiated renegotiation



On 15/04/2019 14:41, tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> Many thanks for your informative reply.
> 
> So it seems the best approach is to  upgrade to a version of OpenSSL  supporting the SSL_OP_NO_RENGOTIATION option.
> 
> If this option is enabled will it  still allow server-initiated secure  renegotiations if TLS 1.3 is being used?
> 
> The docs suggests that only  client side renegotiation requests are disabled in TLS 1.3.

Renegotiation does not exist as a concept in TLSv1.3 so this option has no impact in TLSv1.3.

Matt


> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openssl-users <openssl-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of 
> Matt Caswell
> Sent: Monday 15 April 2019 13:44
> To: openssl-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Best way of preventing denial of service attacks by way 
> of secure client-initiated renegotiation
> 
> 
> 
> On 15/04/2019 09:35, tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this means  renegotiation has failed?  Either way the 
>> connection remains open.  Presumably if a client issued a large 
>> number of renegotiations like this the server could become overwhelmed.
> 
> No - renegotiation was successful.
> 
>> Note that I got the same results if I remove the 
>> -legacy_renegotiation option, so I don't think  this has any impact?
> 
> The legacy_renegotiation option does something different to what you 
> think it does. This option allows "insecure" renegotiation as opposed 
> to the later (and
> default) "secure" renegotiation. This dates back to 2009 when a flaw in the TLS protocol for renegotiation was discovered.
> 
>>
>> So, I suppose I firstly need to know if the results from testssl.sh 
>> and from my own investigations point to a potential security risk by 
>> way of a DoS attack?
> 
> Over the years there have been many attacks against renegotiation. They've all been fixed, however since this is a common attack vector and many applications don't need this feature it is often recommended that it is disabled.
> 
> 
>> If so, what is the best way to prevent this.
> 
> The best way is to upgrade to a recent version of OpenSSL and use the SSL_OP_NO_RENGOTIATION option for this purpose (available from 1.1.0h and above).
> 
> If you *must* use OpenSSL 1.0.2 then there is a way to do it but it is undocumented and unfortunately this method is no longer possible in OpenSSL 1.1.0+ due to the opacity changes.
> 
> You can mark a particular SSL object (call it "s") so that it should not do renegotiation like this:
> 
> s->s3->flags |= SSL3_FLAGS_NO_RENEGOTIATE_CIPHERS;
> 
> 
>> From what I've read online it isn't possible to disable 
>> client-initiated secure renegotiation in openssl.
>> Indeed, it could be argued that there are circumstances when it is 
>> perfectly valid for a client to renegotiate a connection  especially 
>> if it is a long-running connection.
>>
>> The only  way I could find of limiting such an attack was to track 
>> the number of renegotiation requests over a time and if we get a high 
>> number  in a short period  then close the connection.
>> I believe this can be done  in a callback function  set up via a call to:
>>
>> SSL_CTX_set_info_callback
> 
> I'd recommend against this approach. A number of applications took this route due to a lack of a good alternative. However it can have unexpected consequences if you later upgrade to OpenSSL 1.1.1 and start using TLSv1.3 (where a number of legitimate interactions happen post-handshake that can be mistaken for renegotiations).
> 
> Matt
> 





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