Re: Adding SNI support to SSH

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Hey Jochen,

Jochen Bern <Jochen.Bern@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

> On 01/13/2020 11:10 AM, Nico Schottelius wrote:
>> The problem I am trying to solve is: there are thousands of users on
>> IPv4 only networks who I cannot all communicate with. And they need to
>> access resources on IPv6 only systems.
>>
>> The typical jump host / proxy command approach surely works, but only
>> for a small percentage of the users. The big part actually reaches out
>> to the support and has severe problems if they cannot just use "plain
>> ssh" (i.e. need to configure ssh or don't land on the target host
>> immediately).
>
> Out of interest:
> 1. If an extended mechanism were to be implemented, which server pubkey
>    do you expect to be seen/stored/verified by the client? The proxy's
>    / v4 middlebox's, or the v6 backend's? Or would you require that all
>    server-side machines use the *same* host keypairs?
> 2. Are there any clients *with* v6 accessing the same backends? Via
>    generic v6? How is the distinction made, FQDNs given in the public
>    DNS with the proxy's v4 and the backend's v6 IP and leave the
>    selection to the client? Could client machines *switch* between both
>    modes, short of an all-out reconfig by the sysadmins' hands?
>

I love those two questions. I'll answer it with how TLS proxying works,
because that works quite nice:

- The proxy does not have *any* certificate on our HTTPS servers
- The proxy analyses the first few bytes, listens for the name in the
  TLS handshake and then sends the buffered request to the correct
  backend

In terms of DNS management, how it is done for HTTPS:

- AAAA -> goes directly to the target host
- A -> goes to the proxy

The proxy itself is there also stateless. If it is configured for
example.com, it will lookup the AAAA entry and forward the packet
without needing to know anything special about the IPv6 backend.

So to answer your question: the client sees the same pubkey for both
proxied and non-proxied connections.

You can test that for yourself by curl'ing https://webmail.ungleich.ch.
The host providing that service is only reachable by IPv6 and IPv4 is
handled by the proxy.

For SSH this could work very similar, it does not need full blown X.509
certificates or a rich protocol like http to support this. A simple
"Host: target-host" alike greeting from the client would suffice.

Cheers,

Nico

p.s.: HAProxy, which we use, can even forward the original client IP to
the end host using the "proxy protocol".

pps: The whole haproxy configuration for it looks as following. It
supports smtps, imaps. https and http at the moment.

# ipv4 https frontend
frontend httpsipv4
    bind ipv4@:443
    mode tcp
    option tcplog
    tcp-request inspect-delay 5s
    tcp-request content accept if { req_ssl_hello_type 1 }
    default_backend httpsipv4

backend httpsipv4
    mode tcp
    use-server webmail.ungleich.ch if { req_ssl_sni -i webmail.ungleich.ch }
    server webmail.ungleich.ch ipv6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ...


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