Re: ssh client is setting O_NONBLOCK on a pipe shared with other processes

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> In any case, disabling nonblock for non-ttys is not what we want to do

Ok, well I don't know what the solution is then.  I think the real
problem is probably that O_NOBLOCK applies to an "open description"
rather than than to a descriptor, but that behavior is apparently
mandated by POSIX.  I think that when ssh sets O_NONBLOCK, that
should have no effect on its parent process or any other process.
So I guess the bug is in POSIX.

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:36 PM Damien Miller <djm@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> AFAIK failing to set nonblock on ttys is a blurry mixture of legacy
> behaviour, hack and bug.
>
> It's legacy behaviour because it dates back to ssh 1.x when the ssh
> process interacted with at most a single tty. This is no longer the
> case due to connection multiplexing.
>
> It's a bug for the same reason - a ssh blocked on tty writes that
> is not able to service IO to other multiplexed connections is not
> behaving well.
>
> It's a hack because it may provide something approximating human-
> friendly behaviour when ssh is only interacting with a single tty.
> In this case, if the tty is behind then stalling on writes provides
> some backpressure to the peer. I'm not sure whether this has been
> properly analysed or even whether it makes sense these days.
>
> In any case, disabling nonblock for non-ttys is not what we want to do.
>
> -d
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, Doug Graham wrote:
>
> > > ssh has to set NONBLOCK otherwise it can, well, block - there's
> > > no way for ssh to know a priori how much data it can write to a fd.
> >
> > I don't know anything about how ssh is structured, but I think it must
> > be a bit more complicated than that. Ssh only sets O_NONBLOCK on an
> > fd if isatty(fd) returns false, so it's able to function with blocking input
> > and output if the relevant descriptor refers to a tty (probably the usual
> > case).
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:20 PM Damien Miller <djm@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, Doug Graham wrote:
> > >
> > > > The quick summary is that we invoke git from a parallel invocation of
> > > > "make".  Git invokes ssh to pull stuff from a remote repo. Ssh sets
> > > > O_NONBLOCK on stdout and stderr if they do not refer to a tty. During
> > > > our build, stderr refers to a pipe that other jobs run by make (and
> > > > make itself) may also write to, and since this is a parallel build,
> > > > they may write to that pipe while ssh has it in non-blocking mode.
> > > >
> > > > Make occasionally gets an unexpected EAGAIN error and fails the build
> > > > with the error message "make: write error".
> > > >
> > > > We have a workaround, but it seems to me that this could cause
> > > > problems with other background uses of ssh too.  Should ssh really be
> > > > setting O_NONBLOCK if it is running non-interactively?
> > >
> > > ssh has to set NONBLOCK otherwise it can, well, block - there's
> > > no way for ssh to know a priori how much data it can write to a fd.
> > >
> > > -d
> >
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