On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Bruce F Bading <badingb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Gentlemen,
>
> Thank you both for your valued opinion. I do however agree that public key
> authentication cannot be fully considered MFA as have 2 PCI QSAs I have
> spoken with. This is because it is not enforceable server side. Many
> things can affect client side security.
>
> It is distributable and not enforceable at a single point.
> The key can be regenerated or downloaded again and regenerated to remove
> the paraphrase making it single factor authentication.
It's not merely possible. It's popular, and nearly inevitable. And
unless you can enforce use of a designated public key on the server
side, for example by breaking ownership checks and making the file and
directories owned by root with user groupo access, or by
auto-replacing $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys, well, the user can replace
the key at whim with their own insecure key.
And most users *will* follow the default ssh-keygen behavior and use
no passphrase whatsoever. That's been a problem since.... 1995, when
SSH-1 was first written by Tatu Ylonen.
I'd still like to see "ssh-keygen" require a command line flag to
allow blank passwords, instead of the current default behavior. But
when I've suggested it among users, they've explained their firm
rejection of it in impolite terms.
> Keystoke loggers can log the keystrokes to unlock the key and capture it in
> band on the client.
> RSA and OTP generated by google authenticator w/password authentication can
> occur out of band and since enforceable on the server side are much more
> difficult to breach.
>
> Again, I want to thank you both for your valued opinion and which everyone
> a very great day.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bruce F. Bading
> Senior Security Consultant
>
> IBM Systems and Technology Group
> 830-237-6851
> badingb@xxxxxxxxxx
> member ISACA since 1985
>
>
> "United We Stand"
>
> For those with risk, your time to remediate is today.
> For those who have been breached, your time to remediate was yesterday!
>
>
>
> From: Damien Miller <djm@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Stephen Harris <lists@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Bruce F Bading/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, openssh-unix-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: 07/04/2016 01:04 AM
> Subject: Re: SSH multi factor authentication
>
>
>
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016, Stephen Harris wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 03, 2016 at 09:19:43PM -0500, Bruce F Bading wrote:
>> > One, the Google Authenticator (OTP authentication).
>>
>> On its own, this is not 2FA. It's single factor ("something you
>> have").
>>
>> A combination of Google Authenticator _and_ password is 2FA. This is
>> easy to do with PAM.
>
> Agreed
>
>> > Two, Public/Private key authentication (pubkeyauthentication = yes)
> which
>> > supports pass phrase private key authentication.
>>
>> This is 2FA in that you need the private key and the passphrase for it.
>
> I don't agree - being able to unlock a private key is just part of
> "possessing" it.
>
> OTOH publickey+password authentication could be considered 2FA. Ideally
> with the key rendered practically uncloneable by holding it on a token,
> etc.
>
> -d
>
>
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