On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:56 PM, William Ahern <william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That getopt_long isn't in POSIX is almost beside the point, and maybe the > reply was just a polite way to end the discussion with an indisputable > counter-argument. And what Python does is irrelevant to OpenSSH and its > goals. Well, from http://www.openssh.com/goals.html it looks like OpenSSH goals is to be cryptic. I don't see anything about being user friendly, so you're right. ) > However, if you want to champion getopt_long's introduction to POSIX, feel > free. I don't know what is getopt_long. Python uses optparse (ported to other scripting languages) and given the choice, I'd use http://docopt.org/ - it has MIT licensed C code generator that is probably easier to modify than to rewrite getopt_long. > POSIX is a still being developed, and they're still taking feature > requests for Issue 8. I couldn't find a ticket for getopt_long at > austingroupbugs.net. But you should inquire with someone more familiar with > the process before opening a ticket. I feel like shaving yaks. Nobody else uses --help option for any program out there? Nobody finds it convenient? > That nobody else is speaking up speaks volumes, I think. If a long-time > maintainer says that it's not worthwhile, then why continue arguing after > all the chips are on the table? Maybe the project will change its mind down > the road, but in the meantime you should probably accept the answer you got. All answers are accepted regardless of status or personalities. >> >> StackOverflow is better and more Google friendly. =) > > I'm sure that the OpenSSH maintainers don't believe Stack Overflow to be a > preferable resource to the manual page. Personally I think it's a poor habit > to consult such a forum before consulting the documentation. Stack Overflow > is rife with cargo culting. Every generation has its own way of communication. I believe those who prefer mailing lists will use 'man ssh' and those who use SO, use '--help', so I am just expressing interests of likeminded group of people. How large is this group? Well, I don't know. But at least SO provides some stats about common problems: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ssh?sort=votes&pageSize=15 > That said, if you care to visit Usenet I believe there are some people who > work on POSIX who read comp.unix.programmer. They may also post on Stack > Overflow for all I know, but comp.unix.programmer is a more reliable and > trustworthy forum with more in-depth discussions. In 10 years I expect Stack > Overflow to be effectively gone, replaced by some other website, but > comp.unix.programmer to still be active. Do you mean this Google Group? I am not sure why it should be better than SO. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.unix.programmer -- anatoly t. _______________________________________________ openssh-unix-dev mailing list openssh-unix-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.mindrot.org/mailman/listinfo/openssh-unix-dev
