Paul Evans replied: > 'not syn' packets are any TCP packets that don't contain the SYN flag. > "NEW" packets are ones for which conntrack cannot find an existing > entry in the conntrack table. Thanks, Paul. I guess with all that said the question I still have is, is it safe to assume that there is a problem on the remote end, given that with virtually every contact with those sites, at least one packet is always dropped per the 'new not syn' rule? Or is it still possible that, regardless of the frequency of the dropped packets from those sites, that there still could be a 'legitimate' cause for it to happen? I'm just trying to get out of being the damp middle-man in a whizzing contest between the clients and the mighty keepers of the servers. :) Thanks for the reply and info! Chuck Logan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netfilter" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html