After much searching around for info about the state of netfilter I found your reference to the tutorial. Thanks for mailing that to the list, without it I would never have found out exactly what the situation is. This is due to the awful state of the netfilter documentation. The kernel documentation says that netfilter modules are no longer included (it certainly doesn't seem possible to turn them on with menuconfig) but the current netfilter documentation makes no mention of that at all. Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick about all of this... but I'm not an inexperienced linux admin and I was mighty confused. I dead to think what someone coming from solaris of (horrors!) nt would think. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk