Did nobody have ANY clue on this or what? I hate to re-send but I think this is an important issue ... or should I be sending this to the developers list instead? --------------------------------------------------------- this http://www.qorbit.net/documents/maximizing-firewall-availability.htm is a very interesting paper on the limitations of commercial firewalls when their state tables are filled by DOS attacks. It shows that even with a capability for two MILLION tracked connections, a DOS attack using spoofed IPs, of 21mbit, will fill this table up.. and the DOS succeeds. The paper does not talk about netfilter/iptables, except to point out that syncookies are a linux/bsd feature, that mitigate SYN flood attack. My question is this, ip_conntrack can be filled up fairly easily with UNREPLIED entries. There seems to be some confusion in the archives of this list as to whether behavior at the limit is good or not: 1. With a hashsize of 16384, on a machine with 2gb of memory or more, will the table fill up before kernel memory is exhausted instead, and bad things happen? is there any protection/tests built in that stop conntrack filling kernel memory before it fills its set max table size? 2. When the ip_conntrack table is full, are old UNREPLIED connections dropped to make room for new entries? (this, the DOS attack will not succeed), or, are random UNREPLIED entries removed, or, are packets just dropped? 3. Do kernel SYNcookies stop additional ip_conntract table entries, when the kernel decides to start issuing them? 4. Using the patch for NOTRACK, that provides a path that does not add an entry to the session table, does this mean the only thing that will break is any ESTABLISHED tests elsewhere in the rules? or does it break NAT completely and thus can only be used for packets coming in for services on the local box, not any hidden NAT'd services? Ie: NOTRACK can be used for tcp/80 path only, correct? -->port 80-->firewall+webserver---nat+portfwding--->other services or is this also ok --->port 27015 udp-->firewall---->nat+portfwding--->game servers where the udp path is marked NOTRACK? thanks, any answers would be very helpful. -Justin
