Re: [PATCH RFC,net-next 0/3] ip_tunnel: specify tunnel type via template

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Hi Or,

On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 09:42:42AM +0300, Or Gerlitz wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:58 AM Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 12:13:57PM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > On Thu,  4 Oct 2018 02:03:42 +0200, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The following patchset adds a new field to the tunnel metadata template
> > > > to restrict the configuration to a given tunnel driver. Currently, a
> > > > misconfiguration may result in packets going to the wrong tunnel driver.
> > > >
> > > > Although we have the tunnel option flags, they are not mandatory for
> > > > some tunnel drivers, eg. vxlan, which may use it or not; and gre which
> > > > does not use them.
> > >
> > > Option flags are necessary because interpretation of option blob is
> > > entirely protocol-specific.
> > >
> > > > This patch updates tc's tunnel action and netfilter's tunnel extension
> > > > to use this new field. OVS netlink interface has been left unset, although they
> > > > could be updated to use this.
> > > >
> > > > By extending the existing tc action to support the IP_TUNNEL_INFO_BRIDGE
> > > > mode, I think it should be possible to expose IP_TUNNEL_TYPE_VLAN too,
> > > > although this patchset doesn't address this scenario.
> 
> not following... can you elaborate further please?

It should be possible to extend act_key_tunnel to support the
IP_TUNNEL_INFO_BRIDGE flag, but this is just a suggestion.

> > > > The field is initialized to zero, which maps to IP_TUNNEL_TYPE_UNSPEC to
> > > > retain the existing behaviour, so the existing flexibility is still in
> > > > place while this new feature is added.
> > > >
> > > > Cc'ing people that git annotate show as dealing with these bits more
> > > > recently.
> > >
> > > What practical scenario are you trying to address here?
> >
> > Incorrect configuration. The tunnel template defines an ID field, this
> > ID means vni in vxlan, but it also means session in erspan. If a
> > packet that should go to vxlan tunnel device (to be encapsulated using
> > vni 5) ends up in a gre/erspan device, you will get an erspan packet
> > with session 5. With this new tunnel type field, you can restrict
> > the tunnel template to work _only_ for a given tunnel device driver.
> > Hence, if the packet ends up in the wrong tunnel device driver due to
> > incorrect configuration, packet gets dropped.
> >
> >> Have you seen
> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg250705.html ?
> 
> > Hm, I remember to have seen some hw offload driver code that is making
> > assumptions on the destination ports to pick the tunnel protocol,
> > based on what the act_key_tunnel is passing.
> [..]
> 
> for udp based tunneling this is valid practice, b/c a driver can get the tunnel
> type <--> udp dest port relation from the stack through the udp tunnel ndo.
> 
> HW offloading wise, I think it would be better first pursue Januk and Co
> proposal which deals with the problematic part of tc/tunnels -- ingress rules
> set on tunnel devices (decap rules). The RFC looks very promising and
> I understand this is going to be reposed as non-rfc early in the next cycle

Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here.

My patchset is of benefit for pure software/control plane approach:
This allows users to narrow down tunnel configurations, existing
approach is very flexible - probably a bit too much for people willing
to validate things are correct - since it is allowing too loose
configurations. This is leaving room to the user to make configuration
mistakes that result in bad things, such as packets being tunneled
through the wrong encapsulation type. With this patchset, packets
going to the wrong tunnel devices will be simply dropped - and we
could even do more specific validation from control plane after this.
This patchset is backward compatible, so it doesn't restrict for the
existing flexibility that users may want for this.

This patchset _never_ meant to replace Jakub's work nor any HW offload
infrastructure. After reading Jakub's email, I was just suggesting
that this may (probably) still help drivers too, since this would
provide more hints to the driver. Please, let me know if this is
causing any interference with your ongoing HW driver development in
some way, and if so, in what way.

Let me know,
Thanks.



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