Let me rephrase why I don't like this patchset: 1. Let's forget about TSQ for a moment, skb_orphan() before leaving the stack is not just reasonable but also aligning to network isolation design. You can't claim skb_orphan() is broken from beginning, it is designed in this way and it is intentional. 2. Now, let's consider the current TSQ behavior (without any patch): 2a. For packets leaving the host or just leaving the stack to another netns, there is no difference, and this should be expected from user's point of view, because I don't need to think about its destination to decide how I should configure tcp_limit_output_bytes. 2b. The hidden pipeline behind TSQ is well defined, that is, any queues in between L4 and L2, most importantly qdisc. I can easily predict the number of queues my packets will go through with a given configuration. This also aligns with 2a. 2c. Isolation is respected as it should. TCP sockets in this netns won't be influenced by any factor in another netns. Now with your patchset: 2a. There is an apparent difference for packets leaving the host and for packets just leaving this stack. 2b. You extend the pipeline to another netns's L3, which means the number of queues is now unpredictable. 2c. Isolation is now slightly broken, the other netns could influence the source netns. I don't see you have any good argument on any of these 3 points. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netfilter-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html