Hi David, Just for the record, this is a summary of what we have discussed so far: 1) The existing flowtable infrastructure provides a software fast path that is being useful for a valid number of usecases, in particular, OpenWRT/LEDE developers/users are very enthusiastic about this. Reason for this is that they have had no other choice rather than loading out of tree kernel modules to enable fast forwarding paths before this infrastructure has been mainlined. Fortunately, now they have an upstream alternative that can help them get rid of those modules. This fast path can be enabled very easily, actually one single rule to select what flows follow the alternative path is sufficient. 2) The software flowtable implementation is not affected by the problems that flow/routing cache used to have. An attacker that cycles through all key values by sending forged packets to fill up the hashtable will get no entries. Ruleset policy specifies when to offload entries into the flowtable, users can arbitrarily decide when to push the flow into the flowtable, eg. add rule filter forward ct status assured flow offload @x Worst case scenario is that users need to see two packets, one on each direction, to be able to place a flow in the flowtable. 3) There is no hardware offload integration yet. There's a public patch - waiting to have a driver - that proposes ndo hooks, this patch is not merged upstream. The flowtable design and the hardware offload patch has been the result of conversations with many vendors that represent a wide range of networking device classes, so it is an individual effort by looking at one single device. Stateful flowtable offload has been another main topic, pipeline is going to stall a bit if we cannot make incremental progress towards that direction. Note that this batch was coming with a patch to reduce cache footprint of the flowtable entries, so there is already working-in-progress targeted at improving performance of this new software fast path. Also, preparation works to introduce iptables support has been in the radar while working on this. We understand, we may have have spent more time in explaining all this in the mailing list, we are trying to amend this now. Therefore, we can probably convince someone here to write design documentation to be placed on the Documentation/flowtable/ directory in the next pull request if that makes it easier for the broader audience to understand our effort and rise concerns, if any. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netfilter-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html