Hi, Modern messaging systems usually provide facilities that allows you to inquire about supported commands and message layouts. Netlink has no such facility so far, hence people end up probing for features, which is a bit sloppy. Sometimes there are also magic version numbers in place that gives a hint to userspace on what this kernel supports, so userspace makes assumptions based on this version number. This patchset aims to improve this situation by adding a new NETLINK_DESC bus with two commands, one to fetch the list of existing commands and another one to describe supported objects. Command descriptions also indicate what netlink objects the interface expects to be used in the netlink message payload, thus, we can relate commands and objects. Objects are represented as compounds of attributes, some of these attributes are nesting other attributes. The netlink description exports the attribute tree and, for simplicity, a linear list of netlink objects identified via unique ID. Patch 1 adds NLA_PAD, this datatype is needed by netlink description. Patch 2 adds the new generic netlink description bus NETLINK_DESC. Patch 3 adds support for netlink descriptions to nfnetlink. Patch 4 adds a netlink description for nf_tables, so you have an initial client for this infrastructure to look at as reference. Not covered by this patchset, but I think it should be possible to (fully?) generate the C file containing the description and the netlink headers based on some generic notation that describes the netlink interface, something like this: netlink description ---> nldesc_compiler ---> .c and .h files notation This would probably make the work of describing the netlink interface less error prone, given people may add a new attribute to the header file and forget about updating the description. I also think this description could be also useful to fuzz tests netlink interfaces, by interpreting the description that the kernel provides. I've been looking into this since NetDev 2.1 in Canada - already one year ago - I think we need this in nftables so we can evolve more freely. Comments welcome. Pablo Neira Ayuso (4): netlink: add NLA_PAD definition netlink: add generic object description infrastructure netfilter: nfnetlink: add support for netlink descriptions netfilter: nf_tables: add netlink description include/linux/netfilter/nfnetlink.h | 9 + include/net/net_namespace.h | 1 + include/net/netfilter/nf_tables.h | 2 + include/net/netlink.h | 2 + include/net/nldesc.h | 163 +++++++++ include/uapi/linux/netfilter/nf_tables_desc.h | 57 +++ include/uapi/linux/netfilter/nfnetlink.h | 7 + include/uapi/linux/netlink.h | 67 ++++ net/netfilter/Makefile | 7 +- net/netfilter/nf_tables_api.c | 2 + net/netfilter/nf_tables_desc.c | 471 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ net/netfilter/nfnetlink.c | 108 ++++++ net/netlink/Makefile | 2 +- net/netlink/desc.c | 499 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 14 files changed, 1393 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) create mode 100644 include/net/nldesc.h create mode 100644 include/uapi/linux/netfilter/nf_tables_desc.h create mode 100644 net/netfilter/nf_tables_desc.c create mode 100644 net/netlink/desc.c -- 2.11.0 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netfilter-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html