Hi Michael,
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 08:24:22PM +0000, Michael Zintakis wrote:
[...]
> > Instead of this, you can have a /etc/nfacct.conf file that contains
> > the formats and thresholds:
> >
> > name "ALL 27 net" {
> > pkts GiB
> > bytes TiB
> > threshold 6TiB
> > }
> >
> > name "ALL misc" {
> > bytes GiB
> > }
> >
> > ...
> >
> > and so on. You can add new options for the `nfacct add' command so
> > this formats and thresholds are automatically appended to the
> > configuration file.
> >
> > I can help you by making a little parser to read the file and put that
> > formatting information into a list or hashtable. Thus, you can edit
> > the format and thresholds by modifying the configuration file, without
> > the need for interactions with the kernel.
> >
> > BTW, atomic is not required for those two fields, this is protected by
> > the nfnl_lock.
>
> I disagree with you entirely.
At least you have to agree with me in that atomic is not required for
those variables :)
> The two fields above aren't "meaningless" - they have a purpose and
> are an integral part of the nfacct object. None of the fields in the
> nfacct object are really used in the operation of the kernel itself
> - the kernel merely updates these. To put it bluntly, the whole
> nfacct struct is used as storage and the kernel don't use any of
> these fields in its core operation. OK, I agree that packet and byte
> counters are going to be updated much more frequently by the kernel
> than the fmt and bthr variables, but the fact is that these,
> strictly speaking, do not dependent for the kernel to operate. What
> I've done above is not a unique approach - in the kernel code there
> are a lot of examples like this, it is not something new and we are
> not re-inventing the wheel here or breaking a new ground.
>
> Another reason for having fmt and bthr as part of the kernel nfacct
> struct is that this data, alongside the bytes and packet counters,
> is shielded and protected (in ring0), its integrity guaranteed and
> can only be changed via the kernel itself and nothing else. This is
> very important for us.
Sorry, I don't think putting thing in the kernel makes things more
secure.
> In the early stages of the nfacct changes, we considered a very
> similar approach to what you have proposed above, but rejected it,
> not least because the integrity and security of the data
> encapsulated in the nfacct struct cannot be guaranteed otherwise. We
> will rely heavily on this and don't need it to be changed
> arbitrarily (either by "mistake" or intentionally), so we decided
> that this is the best way going forward.
>
> In stage 2 (current plans are this to be completed by the end of q2
> of this year) we will extend this and create a specifically designed
> daemon (nfacctd), which will "talk" directly to the kernel and
> retrieve accounting data (much like what nfacct executable currently
> does, but on a bigger scale) on-demand and in real time and then
> send it to a central point where such data will be collected from
> all other machines for statistics and analysis. That daemon can't be
> spending extra cpu cycles parsing files that may or may not exist or
> check whether the data in them is or isn't reliable (whether it is
> "changed" on purpose or not) - that really isn't good enough.
I think that daemon you want to implement is ulogd2. There's already a
plugin available for nfacct. Thus, you can skip parsing the
configuration file over and over again. To dump existing stats, you
can add a unix socket interface for this new extension you want to do.
> >> if (matching) {
> >> if (nlh->nlmsg_flags & NLM_F_REPLACE) {
> >> - /* reset counters if you request a replacement. */
> >> + /* reset counters if you request a replacement */
> >> + if (!tb[NFACCT_PKTS]) {
> >> + /*
> >> + * Prevent resetting the packets counter if
> >> + * either fmt or bthr are specified.
> >> + *
> >> + * This is done for backward compatibility,
> >> + * otherwise resetting these counters should
> >> + * only be allowed when tb[NFACCT_PKTS] is
> >> + * explicitly specified and == 0.
> >> + *
> >> + */
> >> + if (!tb[NFACCT_FMT] &&
> >> + !tb[NFACCT_BTHR]) {
> >> atomic64_set(&matching->pkts, 0);
> >> + }
> >> + } else {
> >> + atomic64_set(&matching->pkts,
> >> + be64_to_cpu(nla_get_be64(tb[NFACCT_PKTS])));
> >
> > The replacement operation is not so easy. Note that you may hit
> > inconsistencies if while replacing the packet counter, the kernel
> > updates the byte counter, and then you replace the byte counter. You
> > would be leaking bytes and packets.
>
> If I understand you correctly Pablo, you are worried that the packet
> and byte counters can be, in a way "misaligned". But if we are to
> update these values we don't really care if the old values get
> updated or not prior to that change, do we?
>
> In other words, the packet value is updated and the kernel changes
> the byte value in the meantime. If we are later (in the same call)
> replacing the bytes value why do we care that there is a momentary
> inconsistency - we are going to replace it with a new value anyway?
IMO we should care. Let me check if I can come with some lockless way
to replace counters, so we can remove that -EBUSY limitation.
> One thing I'll correct with the next submission is to make sure that
> request for packet counter update is made in the same call as a
> request for an update to byte counters, otherwise we might be having
> only the packet or only the byte counters updated, which will
> introduce an inconsistency. In other words, have something like:
>
> if (tb[NFACCT_PKTS] && tb[NFACCT_BYTES]) {
> <do an update on both counters>
> } else if (tb[NFACCT_PKTS] || tb[NFACCT_BYTES]) { // only one of packets/bytes request has been made, reject it
> return -EINVAL;
> }
>
> I hope I understood you correctly here.
>
> One "technical" query regarding future submissions: from reading
> this list, I gather that the patches need to be submitted using git,
> is that correct?
Some people use stgit and quilt. You may want to use diff as well (but
make sure the patch applies with patch -p1). No restriction in that
regard as long as the patch is well-formed.
> The reason I ask this is because my git experience is zero (we use
> svn on all our development systems) and if it is possible to attach
> my patches as files (during my submission the last time, a friend of
> mine gave me a hand and prepared the patches for me as I am an
> absolute noob as far as git is concerned).
>
> If it is too much trouble, I'll probably scratch out the commands
> needed to execute git and do it that way - let me know.
Ping me privately, I can send you some small sheet with typical
commands I use. But I'd suggest stgit as a good way to start, I used
it for years and the pop/push/refresh logic it implements is very
intuitive.
Regards.
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