Stephan Peijnik <stephan@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Hello all of you,
>
> I am sending this email as a discussion about this topic has been going
> on at linux-security-module@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for some time now and I
> believe that all parties affected or somehow related to this should be
> involved in the discussion. We would like to hear your opinion on this
> matter and would be glad if we could work together on finding a possible
> solution. I have CC'ed linux-security-module, netfilter-devel and
> netdev, but if you believe that I missed someone, feel free to forward
> this email to the respective list.
>
> Firstly, I would like to elaborate on what we more or less agreed on a
> personal firewall should be able to do and what such a piece of software
> is intended for.
>
> A personal firewall should implement per-application mandatory access
> control for sockets. In short this means that such a program decides
> every time a call to either socket(), accept(), bind(), connect() or
> listen() is made whether the invoking program is allowed to do so or
> not. No per-packet filtering can be done and neither is connection
> intercepting of any interest.
>
> As personal firewalls are targeted at single-user, desktop systems the
> decision on whether a call is allowed or not is usually made by the user
> of that system (for example using a popup asking the user what to do).
No, we can't limit the thought to a single-user.
snet [1] is using the uid as one information provided to userspace.
it mean that you can make diffence between this 2 rules :
user 'clara' is 'allowed' to use the program 'firefox' to 'connect' to a
webserver - 'TCP port 80' - on the host - 'IP address'
user 'dirt' is 'denied' to use the program 'firefox' to 'connect' to the
webserver - 'TCP port 80' - on the (same) host - 'IP address'
in the same time, the admin of the box is the only one root. it's not
because the user is logged on X, that he can control network syscalls of
all the OS. (and how will it be possible anyway ?)
and more important, I wrote snet, mainly as a home feature as you are
thinking, but also for administrators, in order to set up a kind of
filtering in LAN for users. Here, nobody will click on accept/deny
buttons, but the decision is put in some databases, controlled by the
sysadmin of the LAN, and in LAN boxes, daemon plug to snet will ask
distant database on verdict for local syscalls.
It make also sens at home in order to avoid this config websites on SOHO
routers to controls NAT/ports redirection :
- start ekiga on a LAN machine, it will do listen()
- snet catch it, allow it and the admin added the feature : ask the SOHO
routers to do a redirection of incoming call coming from the internet
to this LAN box.
- stop ekiga, the port is no more in LISTEN state
- delete the redirection on the routeurs.
it's working int the same with DMZ servers.
Again, this is controlled by the admin, and of course, by the only one
user, if he is alone.
> This means personal firewalls should not enforce system security policy,
> but rather a per-user security policy.
I disagree on this, as explained, per-user is just the simple case of
'there is only one user'. this is a specific case, and can't be taken as
generic situation.
And this is not a problem at all, because, I'm already able to managed
uid with snet.
> The implementations can then add caching of decisions made (ie.
> "remember this decision") and thus not ask every time a call is made.
here you are thinking already too far.
let some developpers who wants to play with such a tool, as you, do
what he wants ("remember this decision", caching, ..), independantly of
the kernel+low level tool.
that's why I moved the code to have a library, and a callback function
which will provide all matching requested syscalls.
> Also, the only protocols to be supported are IPv4 and IPv6. Adding
> support for AF_UNIX and/or AF_NETLINK doesn't make much sense, as this
> is not network-related and would only increase the amount of work a
> personal firewall implementation has to do.
again, why should we be limited to IPv4 or IPv6 ? we are at the socket
layer, the application layer, so this place is transparent regarding
network protocol or the family, just put the information in the netlink
socket for the userspace too, and let the developper decide what he want
to do (allow AF_INET6 by default entirely)
> All proposed implementations of personal firewalls until now have made
> it rather clear that the decision-making logic should be placed in
> userspace, whilst only a small piece of code communicating with a
> userspace daemon should be placed in the kernel itself.
Indeed
> Okay, enough of the (not so) brief description on what people want to do
> and on to a summary of what has been discussed so far.
>
> Most implementations started out using the LSM framework for creating a
> personal firewall, that's also the reason the whole discussion started
> out on the LSM mailing list.
> Even though this looks like a good solution there is one main problem
> with the LSM framework right now: only a single LSM module can be loaded
> and enabled at a time. However, this was done intentionally as stacking
> multiple LSMs proved to be complex and not entirely sane.
> This means that if one decides to enable a personal firewall LSM at boot
> time one will not be able to use a generic-purpose LSM, like SELinux or
> AppArmor simultaneously. Additionally LSMs can only be enabled at boot
> time and cannot be LKMs, they have to be linked statically into the
> kernel.
Please, this has nothing to do with building personnal firewall.
Even if I agree with you, because snet is working by choosing it, at
compilation time, rather than SELinux or smack.., this issue as to be
discuss in the same way it has been done lots of time.
> Another approach that has been suggested is using the netfilter
> framework for this purpose. Even though this again sounds like a good
> idea in the first place it also has its flaws.
> netfilter was designed to work on the network level and, at least from
> my understanding, is not process-context aware. Doing lookups to get the
> process context on each and every connection/packet passing netfilter
> could be done, but might have a negative effect on the overall system
> performance.
netfilter (specialy libconntrack) will help us for checking in-bound
connection, as LSM seems to be little bit weak on this. people behide
TOMOYO linux have mainly push the problem, but the solution is clearly
not to change the LSM hooks in accept() or receive().
You can match a network packet (IPv4 TCP syn for port 80) to the
previous fact that httpd did a listen() on the port.
So, *your* userspace tool, can have a table, which will keep all
listening port (snet will provide you this information) and in the same
time, you are asking libconntrack to give you packets with NEW state,
and try to match it
IPv4 TCP syn for port 80 ? is there someone allowed (httpd listening on
TCP port 80) to received this ? Yes, great ! let's the packets
bypassing or asking the user if he wants to.
> And yet another approach was suggested: hooking socket-related calls
> directly in net/socket.c. This would mean that the personal firewall
> code is called directly from net/socket.c and can this way work in
> process-context, without using the LSM framework.
It was the first proposition. Now I understand why it was rejected. [3]
> On the other hand this would add, besides the LSM calls that are in
> place in net/socket.c a few extra calls which might not be what we want.
> One should also keep in mind that calls can (and may, this is
> intentional) be blocked by the personal firewall system. This could be
> seen as an advantage or disadvantage, but would allow waiting for user
> input until proceeding with the execution of the caller.
>
> What has not been agreed on yet is whether only a way of hooking these
> calls should be made available to implementations or whether the whole
> in-kernel part should be developed together and allow implementations of
> personal firewalls in userspace only, for example using a netlink socket
> to communicate with the shared in-kernel code.
>
> Implementations using the LSM approach are TuxGuardian [0] and snet [1].
> Code implementing the last mentioned approach can be found in git over
> at [2] in the sactl-direct branch.
> Please don't forget that these implementations are probably in either a
> defunct state or are up to discussion themselves.
>
> As a final note I would like to add that I believe that all lists this
> mail has been sent to are somehow affected by the topic we are
> discussing and I (or better said we) would love to hear your opinions.
> Also, I hope I didn't miss anything that was discussed, but if I did
> feel free to correct me.
>
> -- Stephan
>
> [0] http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/
> [1] http://www.synack.fr/project/snet/snet.html
> [2] http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/sactl.git
>
[3] http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=115976955221633&w=2
sam
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