I discovered that HJ Lu's toolchain seems to generate binaries sometimes nearly twice what I used to get with the old VR toolchain. Here are some of my apps (-static -stripped): OLD 'VR' tools -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 302384 Oct 4 2001 chat -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 443848 Oct 4 2001 iptables -r-sr-x--- 1 root root 619620 Oct 4 2001 pppd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 445788 Oct 4 2001 thttpd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 335560 Oct 4 2001 udhcpd NEW gcc version 2.96 20000731 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root espin 543876 Nov 13 16:13 chat -rwxr-xr-x 1 espin espin 740092 Nov 13 16:13 iptables -r-sr-x--- 1 root pppusers 907256 Nov 13 16:13 pppd -rwxr-xr-x 1 espin espin 703880 Nov 13 16:13 thttpd -rwxr-xr-x 1 espin espin 599200 Nov 13 16:13 udhcpd I guess this is most likely a glibc issue? Geoff -- Geoffrey Espin espin@idiom.com